Reply to: Does the Roman Catholic Chuch consider a couple married in a civil ceremony married?

[NotAllThere]

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Which is weird as it means Hitler might have asked for forgiveness just before he shot himself and be in heaven now!

This theology business makes my head hurt....

On the other hand, if Hitler could have made it, it gives hope that you might.

Apparently, the Roman Catholic Church does recognise a marriage outside of the church, if it conforms to Canon 1055.

The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life and which is ordered by its nature to the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring, has been raised by Christ the Lord to the dignity of a sacrament between the baptized.

Usually, this means that if a couple convert - it's marriage. Note, it's the couple who minister the sacrament - not the priest present.

Marriages outside the church are usually quite soggy affairs in the UK.

[minestrone]

It would have to be after he shot himself as we know what happens to suicides.

That view has changed in the church recently, thankfully, as has also the view of pre baptism burial ( shifted quite along time ago it has to be said ) which was an extemely cruel and twisted thinking.

Don't expect sense from the catholic church, it is a machine with singular doctrine so far away from the "see that Jesus chap, I think the world would be better for all if we all lived life with his approach" movement.

[d000hg]

Who cares what people who believe in the sky pixie believe?

Anyone who wants to get married in a church, it would seem.

[Sysman]

It would have to be after he shot himself as we know what happens to suicides.

Tricky.

Slow acting posion should be OK though.

[Sysman]

A mate of mine was married the first time around in a registry office.

One divorce later and he wanted to get married again. His bride to be wanted a church wedding. The C of E said no, we aren't marrying a divorcee. The official RC stance was that they didn't recognise the registry office wedding, so they got married in an RC church.

He was a Roman Catholic, his second missus a Church of England member.

I don't know if this still applies, but at one time if a Catholic married a non-Catholic in a Roman Catholic Church, they wanted them to sign a document stating they would give any kids a Catholic education.

[BrilloPad]

If you have just had a civil ceremony you could speak to the priest and ask if he would bless the marriage

We tried that - priest said no. Mrs BP very upset.

I should not have let her speak to him. If I had spoken to him he would have said yes.

Well I would have asked him to name his price and he is VERY money motivated.

[escapeUK]

Who cares what people who believe in the sky pixie believe? These people are to be pitied, have remedial education, not listened to.

[norrahe]

The church MUST consider those in civil ceremonies to be married as they will not marry you if you have been married before in a civil ceremony.

Of course real Catholics will consider all your past sins to be wiped clean by Jesus once you ask for forgiveness.

Which is weirs as it means Hitler might have asked for forgiveness just before he shot himself and be in heaven now!

This theology business makes my head hurt....

Under church law you are not considered married in the eyes of the church if you have had a civil ceremony. the church does not have to consider you married, even though under civil law you are.

Catholic ceremonies have both the civil and religious elements in one (hence the signing of the register at the end of a catholic marriage).

If you have just had a civil ceremony you could speak to the priest and ask if he would bless the marriage, but if one of you is not catholic and you want a catholic ceremony there is a hell of a lot of palaver ( I should know the ex- Mr N was non RC) to go through, not to mention an obligatory marriage guidance course, dispensations from Bishops etc... ad nauseum.

Also one to consider if you happen to get a civil divorce if you have had an RC ceremony, you are still considered married in the eyes of the church and will therefore be unable to marry again in a catholic church and can only do so if you have an annulment granted by the church.

[Old Greg]

The church MUST consider those in civil ceremonies to be married as they will not marry you if you have been married before in a civil ceremony.

Of course real Catholics will consider all your past sins to be wiped clean by Jesus once you ask for forgiveness.

Which is weirs as it means Hitler might have asked for forgiveness just before he shot himself and be in heaven now!

This theology business makes my head hurt....

It would have to be after he shot himself as we know what happens to suicides.

[BrilloPad]

The church MUST consider those in civil ceremonies to be married as they will not marry you if you have been married before in a civil ceremony.

Of course real Catholics will consider all your past sins to be wiped clean by Jesus once you ask for forgiveness.

Which is weirs as it means Hitler might have asked for forgiveness just before he shot himself and be in heaven now!

This theology business makes my head hurt....

[minestrone]

It depends on the dicoese interpretation and the congregational Priest's views on such matters.

But in general marrige outside the church is not considered marriage to the church.

[bless 'em all]

You're not good enough for her. In the all seeing eyes of God

[Old Greg]

You're not good enough for her.

Nice to agree on something at last.

[MarillionFan]

No. Mrs OG and I had a civil ceremony. Her parents are devout Catholics. That's why I ask.

An honest man need never fear a set up. Veritas vos liberabit.

You're not good enough for her.

[Old Greg]

I sense a set up.

No. Mrs OG and I had a civil ceremony. Her parents are devout Catholics. That's why I ask.

An honest man need never fear a set up. Veritas vos liberabit.