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Originally posted by psychocandy View PostDA - Are you talking about letting down the agent who recommended you?
Seriously, if someone bails on a contract and then his person pops up one month later as a perfect 100% fit for another client, you'd hold a grudge and ignore them?
Dont think so....
Took agent_2 offer.
Looking for new contract
agent_1 will not put me forwards for role they have.
Have other agents I can go through, but I think agent_1 will try to make me suffer a bit longer.
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In general, I wouldn't consider doing this but everyone has a price/line in the sand.
I stayed at a bank one time after being offered a job up the road. 3 months later after being assured I was set for more I got a tap on the shoulder at 9:10, yeah sorry and all that but you are gone today. I should have jumped but its easy to know later !
Following that, I did jump after 2 weeks in one job as another came through near home at 30k/year more and too good to turn down, I didn't even have a laptop so expect the impact was minimal.
Tread carefully, it's a small contracting world up this way but darn sarf might be different.
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostYour whole attitude which is quite typical of contractors is an adversarial one towards your clients. You seem to think that it is is an equal relationship despite the fact that it is the client that pays the money (forget the agents). In the service world of Asia the attitude is quite different, it is one of subservience to the needs of the client and it is this that is the reason that they have ripped the heart out of the contractor market.
I am not condemning you for this because to be fair you are a one man freelancer that has to pay the Bills. You are not a Wipro with an agenda to flood your clients with Bobs and screw every penny you can out of them.
You like many other contractors can probably afford (just) to take this attitude of yours but the facts remain which is that your rates have stagnated and Indian millionaires are aplenty.
I think your major worry is letting down those who have recommended you - just remember it is a small world.
Seriously, if someone bails on a contract and then his person pops up one month later as a perfect 100% fit for another client, you'd hold a grudge and ignore them?
Dont think so....
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostThat is all fine but Don't complain when IT projects get outsourced to the Bobs. Nowhere else does a business have such an opportunity to "opt out" of a commitment and move on to a better paid one elsewhere. I understand your motivation but it runs roughshod over what clients want.
Or the client that decides to can all the contractors in the company because some beancounter suddenly decides they cost too much.
Not ideal what the OP is doing but merely pointing out it works both ways.
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Originally posted by SupremeSpod View PostYou're getting sucked into a sockie fantasy.
Ask yourself why someone would register a user id in 2006 and wait 6 years before they make their first post.
Hth.
I registered 6 years ago and been on this forum on and off for past 6 years. This is a real situation and I really appreciate all the people who spent few minutes from their schedule with their thoughts (positive or negative).
I have nearly made up my mind and I am going to speak to my manager here and let him know my intention and hand over the notice subsequently.
Thanks everyone.
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Originally posted by SupremeSpod View PostYou're getting sucked into a sockie fantasy.
Ask yourself why someone would register a user id in 2006 and wait 6 years before they make their first post.
Hth.
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostYour whole attitude which is quite typical of contractors is an adversarial one towards your clients. You seem to think that it is is an equal relationship despite the fact that it is the client that pays the money (forget the agents). In the service world of Asia the attitude is quite different, it is one of subservience to the needs of the client and it is this that is the reason that they have ripped the heart out of the contractor market.
I am not condemning you for this because to be fair you are a one man freelancer that has to pay the Bills. You are not a Wipro with an agenda to flood your clients with Bobs and screw every penny you can out of them.
You like many other contractors can probably afford (just) to take this attitude of yours but the facts remain which is that your rates have stagnated and Indian millionaires are aplenty.
I think your major worry is letting down those who have recommended you - just remember it is a small world.
Ask yourself why someone would register a user id in 2006 and wait 6 years before they make their first post.
Hth.
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Originally posted by topoftheworld View PostThis contract that I am in was through my personal contacts (ex-colleagues) and there is no agency in between. This is why it is even more morally difficult for me.
Your problem lies in your contract being through 'collegues'. Don't expect them to ever suggest your name again if an oppourtunity comes up.
Still, only you can decide what to do.
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Originally posted by topoftheworld View PostI am not trying to say Client should do business on my terms. Leaving/terminating a contract work both ways.
For example, If there is no budget, client will not hestitate to serve notice to contract or cut rate. They will not keep contractors if they can't, just becuase it is unprofessional to do so.
northernladuk,
You are right. I am justifying this to myself more than I am doing to the Client. I have to take the best decision for myself, not the Client.
In previous contracts, I have always been renewed multiple times (longest contract is about 4.5 years with one client) and I think I have a reasonable reputation in the market as well (I do tend to get multiple offers when I look for new roles).
This contract that I am in was through my personal contacts (ex-colleagues) and there is no agency in between. This is why it is even more morally difficult for me.
I am not condemning you for this because to be fair you are a one man freelancer that has to pay the Bills. You are not a Wipro with an agenda to flood your clients with Bobs and screw every penny you can out of them.
You like many other contractors can probably afford (just) to take this attitude of yours but the facts remain which is that your rates have stagnated and Indian millionaires are aplenty.
I think your major worry is letting down those who have recommended you - just remember it is a small world.
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Originally posted by alreadypacked View Post<Dr.Phil>
If you are in the running for a few roles and you don't wait but take the first role offered. You have to ask yourself why?
Is your warchest too small?
Is your skill-set not as good as you say?
Is your confidence a bit low at the moment.
Or did you just want to get into a role before it went quite for the summer.
Whatever the reason, you need to sort it out if you are making the wrong decision. But now that it is made you need to stick with it, and don't make the wrong decision next time.
</Dr.Phil>
It doesn't help that I am in the middle of a house renovation that is eating cash as fast as I find it to spend...
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostSo clients should do business on your terms and not theirs? No wonder contractor rates have remained stagnant for so long and the earnings of the Indian outsourcing companies have gone sky high.
The difference being that the Bobs understand what the clients want whereas you do not.
For example, If there is no budget, client will not hestitate to serve notice to contract or cut rate. They will not keep contractors if they can't, just becuase it is unprofessional to do so.
northernladuk,
You are right. I am justifying this to myself more than I am doing to the Client. I have to take the best decision for myself, not the Client.
In previous contracts, I have always been renewed multiple times (longest contract is about 4.5 years with one client) and I think I have a reasonable reputation in the market as well (I do tend to get multiple offers when I look for new roles).
This contract that I am in was through my personal contacts (ex-colleagues) and there is no agency in between. This is why it is even more morally difficult for me.
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostFTFY
The difference being that the Bobs understand what the clients want whereas you do not.
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Originally posted by topoftheworld View PostI want to leave, but want to do some damage control so that it's doesn't look very unprofessional and convince the current employer is that I am leaving for justifiable (on my part) reasons.
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostThat may be so but the Wipros of this world just replace those that leave so the moronic client gets the appearance of continuity.
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