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Previously on "Good investment opportunities in Europe"

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  • AtW
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    Originally posted by Doggy Styles View Post
    Whatever AtW. You were wrong, I put you right with a fact, so you've simply changed the subject.
    Fact?

    The only fact is actual high yields on those bonds, what you've given is your explanation of why it happens.

    Both mine and yours are correct - yields are high because of lower demand and those who put bids in want higher %-tage, on the other hand (unlike UK) they can't print money to make up for it hence they ended up with high interest rates.

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  • Doggy Styles
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    Originally posted by AtW View Post
    And UK bonds are low risk because Govt has shown willingness to print money to make up for lack of demand (which causes inflation of course so everybody in UK pays for it rather than Govt that borrows money)
    Whatever AtW. You were wrong, I put you right with a fact, so you've simply changed the subject.

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  • AtW
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    Originally posted by Doggy Styles View Post
    No. It's because, unlike the UK, Spain and Italy debt is high risk. People won't lend them money unless they get a higher return to cover that risk.
    And UK bonds are low risk because Govt has shown willingness to print money to make up for lack of demand (which causes inflation of course so everybody in UK pays for it rather than Govt that borrows money)

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  • BrilloPad
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    Originally posted by aussielong View Post
    Germany will end up insuring the debt
    Not sure the German voter will go for that.

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  • Doggy Styles
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    Originally posted by AtW View Post
    Because unlike UK countries in euro zone can't print money to keep rates artificially low so they have to either earn them or proper borrow.
    No. It's because, unlike the UK, Spain and Italy debt is high risk. People won't lend them money unless they get a higher return to cover that risk.

    HTH.

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  • BlasterBates
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    Originally posted by aussielong View Post
    These yields are getting too high, Germany will end up insuring the debt and the yields will come down averting the crisis.
    Which would give you a tidy profit as you'll be able to sell your bonds at a higher price.

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  • aussielong
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    Originally posted by AtW View Post
    Because unlike UK countries in euro zone can't print money to keep rates artificially low so they have to either earn them or proper borrow.
    These yields are getting too high, Germany will end up insuring the debt and the yields will come down averting the crisis.

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  • AtW
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    Originally posted by Doggy Styles View Post
    Do you know why those rates are so high?
    Because unlike UK countries in euro zone can't print money to keep rates artificially low so they have to either earn them or proper borrow.

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  • Doggy Styles
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    Originally posted by AtW View Post
    10-year bonds:

    Spain - 6.81% yield
    Italy - 6.28%

    Source: BBC News - Spain borrowing costs hit euro-era record high
    Do you know why those rates are so high?

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  • BrilloPad
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    Originally posted by AtW View Post
    10-year bonds:

    Spain - 6.81% yield
    Italy - 6.28%

    Source: BBC News - Spain borrowing costs hit euro-era record high
    I would stick to mail order brides - you might get a sh4g out of them. Unlike sovereign debt where you will get sh4gged.

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  • eek
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    Originally posted by Alf W View Post
    Minus 100% yield when they default.
    Which based on the source of the Spanish bail-out is a real possibility as the 100bn euros has to be given priority over all other government debt.

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  • Alf W
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    Originally posted by AtW View Post
    10-year bonds:

    Spain - 6.81% yield
    Italy - 6.28%

    Source: BBC News - Spain borrowing costs hit euro-era record high
    Minus 100% yield when they default.

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  • Paddy
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    Originally posted by AtW View Post
    10-year bonds:

    Spain - 6.81% yield
    Italy - 6.28%

    Source: BBC News - Spain borrowing costs hit euro-era record high
    They could end up like these ones.

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  • AtW
    started a topic Good investment opportunities in Europe

    Good investment opportunities in Europe

    10-year bonds:

    Spain - 6.81% yield
    Italy - 6.28%

    Source: BBC News - Spain borrowing costs hit euro-era record high

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