Reply to: Doctors will only get £68,000/year pension under revised scheme

[minestrone]

Firstly this country is living beyond its means so it is entirely right that public sector pensions are cut - we dont have the money. What idiots do not realise is that money funnily enough does not grow on trees. If we are to fund these amazingly high doctors pensions then the rest of us will have to work harder and longer to pay for them. We will probably have to at the same time give up our own pensions in order to pay for theirs.
I don't care what they do but anyone earning over a £100,000 per year in a job with almost total security - I dont care who they are are hardly due any sympathy. Doctors are just as greedy as anyone.

As greedy as Dentists? who earn far more than doctors who as soon as they get a full NHS patient book go private at the cost of the patient.

Dotors are pretty commited to the NHS model of free health care for all, they are now being paid enough not to move slipt into public private like dentisty which was an option.

If you are going to make a bold comment on a subject at least know your stuff, else you are going to make yourself look like an idiot.

[moggy]

"99% of the private sector will have lower pension expectations too. Including me. Why shouldn't we go on strike?"

And there you have the considered answer reflecting public sector 'me me me'.

I'll tell you why I shouldn't go on strike. I have no-one to hold to ransom. I work in a competitive environment and someone else would take over my job. But most fundamentally, I know that the money simply isn't there to maintain my old expectations.

The private sector can look forward to reduced pension AND is expected to pay extra to maintain pension levels of public sector workers, who already enjoy jobs for life and an average wage above that of the private sector. Not exactly sharing the burden is it.

The private sector is the one that most drives the nation's economy. It should be encouraged, not taken the p1ss out of.

if you read your comment back it actually sounds like you saying.. me me me...

only crying why not me me me...

HTH

[d000hg]

In other countries they do have unions for private sector workers, and they do strike. Don't they?

[Doggy Styles]

"99% of the private sector will have lower pension expectations too. Including me. Why shouldn't we go on strike?"

Go right ahead.

And there you have the considered answer reflecting public sector 'me me me'.

I'll tell you why I shouldn't go on strike. I have no-one to hold to ransom. I work in a competitive environment and someone else would take over my job. But most fundamentally, I know that the money simply isn't there to maintain my old expectations.

The private sector can look forward to reduced pension AND is expected to pay extra to maintain pension levels of public sector workers, who already enjoy jobs for life and an average wage above that of the private sector. Not exactly sharing the burden is it.

The private sector is the one that most drives the nation's economy. It should be encouraged, not taken the p1ss out of.

[d000hg]

They can indeed fight but where they enjoy the privilege of having their training funded by the taxpayer and where they enjoy a complete monopoly then they should forfeit some of the power that they have so enjoyed.

Expecting to people to voluntarily give up some of their income, or to agree to worse terms 'for the common good'? You're such a leftie.

[vetran]

if the total contributions plus a reasonable level of interest will cover the pension its reasonable after that its a benefit that may be trimmed.

[DodgyAgent]

You sound a bit socialistic there DA. Surely everyone's entitled to fight for every penny they can from their employer?
And of course it's simple economics you need to pay doctors a lot to make the decade of training and so on seem worthwhile.

Go right ahead.

They can indeed fight but where they enjoy the privilege of having their training funded by the taxpayer and where they enjoy a complete monopoly then they should forfeit some of the power that they have so enjoyed.

[d000hg]

You sound a bit socialistic there DA. Surely everyone's entitled to fight for every penny they can from their employer?
And of course it's simple economics you need to pay doctors a lot to make the decade of training and so on seem worthwhile.

99% of the private sector will have lower pension expectations too. Including me.

Why shouldn't we go on strike?

Go right ahead.

[DodgyAgent]

Firstly this country is living beyond its means so it is entirely right that public sector pensions are cut - we dont have the money. What idiots do not realise is that money funnily enough does not grow on trees. If we are to fund these amazingly high doctors pensions then the rest of us will have to work harder and longer to pay for them. We will probably have to at the same time give up our own pensions in order to pay for theirs.
I don't care what they do but anyone earning over a £100,000 per year in a job with almost total security - I dont care who they are are hardly due any sympathy. Doctors are just as greedy as anyone.

[TimberWolf]

Leaving_these_shores

23 minutes ago

Well perhaps not Herr Doctor. My company that I started from scratch paid £1million in Corporation tax alone in 2009, that was the highest year but there's been a couple close to that too. That's before I start talking of Employers NI, personal taxation and the exorbitant amount of stamp duty I have paid over the last decade.
But as I won't be missed I can rest assuredly knowing that I shan't be paying another penny in UK tax. Good day to you Sir.

1965doc

16 minutes ago

Well as I earned more than £1 million annually for many years in private practice alone, you do not impress me with your silly bragadoccio.

Just like contractors except the numbers are 10x the amount and the language a little more sophisticated.
Doctors write open letter explaining their day of action - Telegraph

[TimberWolf]

The GPs I know hardly ever seem to go to work, I wonder what their pay and pension is for part-time working.

[Doggy Styles]

99% of the private sector will have lower pension expectations too. Including me.

Why shouldn't we go on strike?

[minestrone]

There is a serious problem with doctors being offered £200 an hour to work overnight and a lot of GPs chase the money, working 100 hour weeks in your 20s might be somehow managable but in your 40s and 50s it is not really an option. Doctors often work the day, do nighshift and then go back to a days surgery wihout sleep. THey should have a tachometer on their work hours.

[d000hg]

Ok, I earn more than the threshold for the receipt of Child Benefit for my son.

When my son was born there wasn't a threshold.

Do you think that I'm entitled to fight for that which has/will be withdrawn?

Sure you're entitled to complain about it. But changing the benefits system and changing your employment package are very different.

If you were on £1000pd and they told you they were going to reduce it to £950pd would you think that was something to bitch about or would you say "I earn more than the average person so it doesn't matter"?

[minestrone]

What pension do they get if they retire aged 50 to 55 regardless of the new rules?

I think GP pensions are based on total earnings over the career rather than contributions, I know a doctor who retired last year in his late 50s with 300,000 lump sum and 70,000 a year.