Reply to: Incompetent Permanent Staff

[oscarose]

whs

Incompetent permies keep contractors in work. If anything, praise him and tell them to hire another one like him, just in case he becomes unmissable.

WMS+1

[Diver]

One of the reasons clients bring in contractors is because the permies aren't very good. Don't rock the boat for it is sailing serenely towards your next contract extension.

Er!

I'm a permie, and I'm brilliant

OK so I'm a consultant working for a firm of consultants contracted in, but I'm still a permie and still brilliant!

A legend in my own mind I am

[Mupps]

whs

Incompetent permies keep contractors in work. If anything, praise him and tell them to hire another one like him, just in case he becomes unmissable.

I am learning a lot from you guys

[Mich the Tester]

One of the reasons clients bring in contractors is because the permies aren't very good. Don't rock the boat for it is sailing serenely towards your next contract extension.

whs

Incompetent permies keep contractors in work. If anything, praise him and tell them to hire another one like him, just in case he becomes unmissable.

[Old Greg]

One of the reasons clients bring in contractors is because the permies aren't very good. Don't rock the boat for it is sailing serenely towards your next contract extension.

[Mupps]

A lot or permies are useless chair warmers, or worse actual liabilities where their limited experience of different environments and actually having to play at a high level to survive mean they can get away with talking crap all day thinking that is a valid contributuion.

Just grumble within earshot of the nearest CTO who might have the project as a key deliverable that permie x is ******* useless and going to ruin everything.

then make sure you keep your head down and appear to be awesome at your job..

[alluvial]

What's the best way of telling a client that the most beneficial thing employee X can do is accept an immediate termination?

I tried that once. Crap permie project manager that was truly abysmal. Micromanaged professionals as if we were call centre staff (her background) even changed my signed off requirements before passing them to the delivery centre, amongst many other things. I tried to flag it to my boss, upshot was that I got sacked, she stayed on. I'll keep my gob shut in future.

[minestrone]

do what the people at my last permie job did, encourage all the lightweights to become contractors!


....... oh - oops

[vetran]

do what the people at my last permie job did, encourage all the lightweights to become contractors!


....... oh - oops

[MarillionFan]

SC you've only been on the gig 5 minutes and you're laying down the law on how they should deal with the permies.

My god! You've become....

[d000hg]

Anonymous letter?

[Spacecadet]

Really surprised to see this kind of post from you SC. Firstly if an employee was such a numpty then generally most people (including management) would have an idea of how bad they were. You need to understand your surroundings, what kind of company are you in?

It's not something I would take lightly, hence the post.

Don't really want to get into details but the guy was able to get away with it for a few months and was in a position for his incompetence to start risking the client co's income. Had he stayed there longer then I've no doubt that things would have reached a head and the client's clients might have started bailing.
I'm not sure how much management knew as they were non-technical and he was good at saying the right things to keep them off his back.

Anyway, as I said, he did the needful himself and his replacement is still there and doing well. But I have wondered what I would do if presented with something similar again.

[minestrone]

I would not bother, if they are in a position where they are fecking up then someone obviously thinks they are capable and you are just going to tell them their judgment is crap.

I have worked alongside some absolute permie roasters in my time, usually for big clients where sacking is not an option, they just wander about causing chaos and it is best to stay out of their way for your own sanity.

[suityou01]

I believe this perm employee is the equivalent of Suityou. Terminate immediately.

Go and **** yourself, seriously.

[suityou01]

I came close to having to do it recently. Luckily the employee in question seemed to realise his game was up and handed in his notice.

Really surprised to see this kind of post from you SC. Firstly if an employee was such a numpty then generally most people (including management) would have an idea of how bad they were. You need to understand your surroundings, what kind of company are you in?

Some companies are run by HR. Some by the finance director and his bean counters. Some are run properly but these are few and far between.

If employee X is a fellow worker, then maybe they are knocking on retirements door and the kindest thing to do is side step them and let the company get on with it. There's no such thing as charity of course. If employee X is a fellow worker and blonde with big boobs then perhaps she's riding the MD, again let it alone.

Perhaps employee X is tulipe at what they do but has pictures of the boss doing something lewd at the Christmas do, again let it alone.

Sure, make your feelings known to those in power about said employees capabilities, but discretely. It's not your place to get them fired. And calling out things like this in a gig can go one of two ways, so ...... you feeling lucky, punk?