Reply to: Universe fine tuned?

[Spacecadet]

Yes indeed.

You need an extra cold pint of Guinness and a funny cartoon showing a Scientist looking through a microscope and seeing a tiny Scientist looking through a microscope and in turn he too sees yet another microscopic Scientist.... Now think about that second pint getting chilled and ready for you... Yummy.

from The Perry Bible Fellowship

[d000hg]

Researchers state that the moon being where it is makes life on earth possible and that the moon is not a natural phenomenon and was 'put' there (by who is clearly debatable).

Facts (that could be coincidence):

The Earth rotates about 366 times per orbit of the sun, and has a polar diameter 366.0431 percent larger than the moons.

The moon has an orbital period of 27.32 days and has a diameter 27.32 percent that of the Earths polar diameter.

The suns diameter is 109.2 times the size of Earths diameter, and the distance from the earth to the sun when we are at our furthest from it is 109.2 sun diameters.

If you divide 109.2 by 4 you get 27.3

The Moon is 400 times smaller than the Sun in diameter and the Moon is 400 times closer to the Earth than the Sun which is why, during a total solar eclipse, the Moon appears to cover the Sun perfectly. Also, the Moon is rotating at a rate of 400km per Earth day and the Earth rotates at a speed 400 times faster than that of the Moon.

366 moon orbits equal 10000 days

Link:

Who Built The Moon?: Amazon.co.uk: Christopher Knight & Alan Butler: Books

Where they the same aliens who masterminded 9/11?

[BS1397]

Yes indeed.

You need an extra cold pint of Guinness and a funny cartoon showing a Scientist looking through a microscope and seeing a tiny Scientist looking through a microscope and in turn he too sees yet another microscopic Scientist.... Now think about that second pint getting chilled and ready for you... Yummy.

[OwlHoot]

The Sun and Moon size/distance ratio seems quite a coincidence, unless aliens visiting a couple of million years ago shifted the Moon's distance from the Earth for a laugh, to produce perfect eclipses on the Earth's surface.

But the moon's rotation, keeping one face moreorless facing Earth, isn't much of a coincidence because the rotation of a non-tidally locked planet/moon constantly warps it back and forth slightly in the radial gravity field of its parent body. This produces heat which radiates away, thus slowing its rotation and/or making its orbit spiral.

[SimonMac]

Researchers state that the moon being where it is makes life on earth possible and that the moon is not a natural phenomenon and was 'put' there (by who is clearly debatable).

Facts (that could be coincidence):

The Earth rotates about 366 times per orbit of the sun, and has a polar diameter 366.0431 percent larger than the moons.

The moon has an orbital period of 27.32 days and has a diameter 27.32 percent that of the Earths polar diameter.

The suns diameter is 109.2 times the size of Earths diameter, and the distance from the earth to the sun when we are at our furthest from it is 109.2 sun diameters.

If you divide 109.2 by 4 you get 27.3

The Moon is 400 times smaller than the Sun in diameter and the Moon is 400 times closer to the Earth than the Sun which is why, during a total solar eclipse, the Moon appears to cover the Sun perfectly. Also, the Moon is rotating at a rate of 400km per Earth day and the Earth rotates at a speed 400 times faster than that of the Moon.

366 moon orbits equal 10000 days

Link:

Who Built The Moon?: Amazon.co.uk: Christopher Knight & Alan Butler: Books

I think its more the fact that of 1,000 stats five have been similar so a theory has been created around that ignoring everything else, ie someone has read what they wanted to out of the facts to sell a book which although I haven't read I could hazard a guess probably doesn't answer the question definitively anyway.

[NotAllThere]

....The Moon is 400 times smaller than the Sun in diameter and the Moon is 400 times closer to the Earth than the Sun which is why, during a total solar eclipse, the Moon appears to cover the Sun perfectly. Also, the Moon is rotating at a rate of 400km per Earth day and the Earth rotates at a speed 400 times faster than that of the Moon.

This is a coincidence. A few (well, many) years ago, the moon was closer to the earth. It's gradually moving away. In the future, there will be no total eclipses. Only annular eclipses which happen even now.

[stek]

I've given up with all this, for years I've pondered it all, lain on my back for night after after night pondering the planets and stars and how it cannot all be accident. Then it came to me in a flash.

Must get a new roof for this house.....

[Signo_cypher]

Slightly related....

Researchers state that the moon being where it is makes life on earth possible and that the moon is not a natural phenomenon and was 'put' there (by who is clearly debatable).

Facts (that could be coincidence):

The Earth rotates about 366 times per orbit of the sun, and has a polar diameter 366.0431 percent larger than the moons.

The moon has an orbital period of 27.32 days and has a diameter 27.32 percent that of the Earths polar diameter.

The suns diameter is 109.2 times the size of Earths diameter, and the distance from the earth to the sun when we are at our furthest from it is 109.2 sun diameters.

If you divide 109.2 by 4 you get 27.3

The Moon is 400 times smaller than the Sun in diameter and the Moon is 400 times closer to the Earth than the Sun which is why, during a total solar eclipse, the Moon appears to cover the Sun perfectly. Also, the Moon is rotating at a rate of 400km per Earth day and the Earth rotates at a speed 400 times faster than that of the Moon.

366 moon orbits equal 10000 days

Link:

Who Built The Moon?: Amazon.co.uk: Christopher Knight & Alan Butler: Books

[NotAllThere]

e) If wisdom comes from god who knows all things, why is there not a single thing in the words of any prophet or in any good book, that shows any knowledge whatever outside of the time and society in which they were said or written?...

The book of Daniel so accurately predicts the future of the time after it was supposedly written (the fortunes of the Greek empire), that most scholars consider it was written after that time.

So, if you do find something that's accurate foretelling, it gets dismissed anyway as an obvious forgery, due to it being so accurate.

[TimberWolf]

if there is no free will. If everything is determined


how can anyone be a thief ?

I would add, that when I say deterministic, I'm not saying the future is predestined or predetermined*, I refer to the underlying rules that when provided certain inputs provide certain outputs. The decision making rules can be numerous and complex and won't necessarily provide a deterministic end result, even though the underlying rules are deterministic.

Anyway it's about time someone explained what they think free will is, apart from "obviously it exists because I do it all the time".

* and I'm not saying it isn't either, as clearly in many cases the future is predicable, at least enough that we exist and can function

[TimberWolf]

if there is no free will. If everything is determined


how can anyone be a thief ?

Why would determinism rule out thieving? Rules consisting of: "see good thing, can get away with taking thing, take thing" would do it. Not so very different from the way people act most of the time.

[Doggy Styles]

a) Why would a loving god make man jump through all these hoops rather than just put him in heaven in the first place?

Wouldn't that be like playing, say, monopoly by declaring everyone the winner before the first dice are thrown?

It's the game of life, xog! The greatest game of all.

Or something. I imagine it would be quite boring sitting around in heaven for all eternity.

[EternalOptimist]

You didn't create yourself, but yet you exist.

if there is no free will. If everything is determined


how can anyone be a thief ?

[VirtualMonkey]

A creator is as good a theory as any, it's just the established religions, the idea of a god who is interested in the salvation of individuals that makes no sense whatever.

a) Why would a loving god make man jump through all these hoops rather than just put him in heaven in the first place?

b) Why is an omnipotent god apparently not capable of eliminating evil?

c) Why is it just to condemn all men for sin equally when many things that make a man what he is, his genes, growth in the womb, nutrition, stress and trauma, upbringing, disease or injury, are entirely outside his control?

d) Why are the all the practices that god gave to other social animals for their survival, promiscuity, attacking other tribes, driving out or eliminating rivals and their offspring, suddenly sinful where mankind is concerned?

e) If wisdom comes from god who knows all things, why is there not a single thing in the words of any prophet or in any good book, that shows any knowledge whatever outside of the time and society in which they were said or written?

f) How is that revelations are so limited by time and place? Don't the souls of people born before the prophet/saviour or those who live far away and never hear his words matter? If truth is supposed to be revealed to all as some claim, how come it never actually happens? Why do people have diferent beliefs all over the world, generally whatever they are taught to believe?

g) Why has god mysteriously stopped performing miracles, appearing to the faithful, rumbling up mountains and handing our sacred scrolls since science has had the ability to record such events?

Lots of this could all boil down to the fact that we're all just a big experiment by some kind of creator.....
You don't try and change what's happening on the fly...you watch, learn then do it differently next time.
For the bits it doesn't cover I'm with you.

[VirtualMonkey]

Just Googled that. Fascinating that he found the idea of the universe having a beginning as pseudoscience, but then went on to propose some C-field thingy to continuously create matter.

like the higgs field you mean? HTH
personally i'm hoping for a trip to a universe where the government doesn't try and rape hard working freelancers with poorly thought out ideas like IR35