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[pjclarke]

In the 2000 article he categorically stated the warming would continue at the same rate with a probability of 95%; hence no more snow.

Der Spiegel is still a secondary source. We can settle this really easily, just find a primary source - a journal article, something written firsthand by a climate scientist, an IPCC projection, the Met Office or similar that predicted a snow free UK by now.

Good luck with that.

[BlasterBates]

Sure about that? Memory can play tricks.



Leading climate scientist challenges Mail on Sunday's use of his research | Environment | The Guardian


FoxNews, WattsUpWithThat push falsehood-filled Daily Mail article on global cooling that utterly misquotes, misrepresents work of Mojib Latif and NSIDC | ThinkProgress

You seem to be off track. To be honest it's irrelevant to what he said in the Spiegel article.

You seem to be attacking Morano....so what.

Did anyone here quote Morano? no. Do we care? no

THis seems like another case of googling for buzzwords, and posting whatever you find regardless of what it's about.

[pjclarke]

Mojib Latif is often on German TV and he said a year a two ago that global warming would pause for the next 20 - 30 years, ie that there was a natural cooling cycle driven by the oceans, that would negate Global Warming for 20 to 30 years I actually heard him say that.

Sure about that? Memory can play tricks.

A leading scientist has hit out at misleading newspaper reports that linked his research to claims that the current cold weather undermines the scientific case for manmade global warming.

Mojib Latif, a climate expert at the Leibniz Institute at Kiel University in Germany, said he "cannot understand" reports that used his research to question the scientific consensus on climate change.

He told the Guardian: "It comes as a surprise to me that people would try to use my statements to try to dispute the nature of global warming. I believe in manmade global warming. I have said that if my name was not Mojib Latif it would be global warming."

Leading climate scientist challenges Mail on Sunday's use of his research | Environment | The Guardian

In an interview back on October 1, Dr. Latif told me “we don’t trust our forecast beyond 2015″³ and “it is just as likely you’ll see accelerated warming” after then. Indeed, in his published research, rapid warming is all-but-inevitable over the next two decades. He told me, “you can’t miss the long-term warming trend” in the temperature record, which is “driven by the evolution of greenhouse gases.”

FoxNews, WattsUpWithThat push falsehood-filled Daily Mail article on global cooling that utterly misquotes, misrepresents work of Mojib Latif and NSIDC | ThinkProgress

[BlasterBates]

My German is a bit rusty, could you tell us the timescales that Dr Latif was talking about?

As you value his opinion, you may also be interested in this recent interview

Exclusive interview with Dr. Mojib Latif, the man who confused the NY Times and New Scientist, the man who moved George Will and math-challenged Morano to extreme disinformation | ThinkProgress

Mojib Latif is often on German TV and he said a year a two ago that global warming would pause for the next 20 - 30 years, ie that there was a natural cooling cycle driven by the oceans, that would negate Global Warming for 20 to 30 years I actually heard him say that.

But I fail to see how that has any relevance about what we were discussing. Presumably you googled the buzz word Mojib Latif and came up with that link that criticised Morano for misquoting him. Well I can only say the link contradicts what he was saying on TV .

Certainly Mojib has changed his tune since 2000 when he was predicting the warming to continue. Presumably he's reacting to the fact that there's been no warming since then.

In the 2000 article he categorically stated the warming would continue at the same rate with a probability of 95%; hence no more snow.

[BlasterBates]

My German is a bit rusty, could you tell us the timescales that Dr Latif was talking about?

As you value his opinion, you may also be interested in this recent interview

Exclusive interview with Dr. Mojib Latif, the man who confused the NY Times and New Scientist, the man who moved George Will and math-challenged Morano to extreme disinformation | ThinkProgress

Mojib Latif in 2000 said that it was unlikely there would be any more frost or snow as there had been 20 years ago i.e. from now (2000). It is almost identical to the Dr David Viner article. The climate scientists clearly decided the 1990's was the new norm. So the journalist who reported Dr David Viner had obviously reported him accurately, because that' what they were all saying at the time.

[EternalOptimist]

hooray for pj.



come to de some more bunk my little cucumber ?

[pjclarke]

My German is a bit rusty, could you tell us the timescales that Dr Latif was talking about?

As you value his opinion, you may also be interested in this recent interview

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2009/1...o-george-will/

[BlasterBates]

Spiegel reports on climate scientist who in 2000 says the following:

Winter ade: Nie wieder Schnee? - SPIEGEL ONLINE - Nachrichten - Wissenschaft

"There will be no more winters with severe frost and snow as we used to get 20 years ago at our Latitude" says Climate Scientist Mojib Latif.

"nie wieder Schnee" roughly translated is "snow is a thing of the past"

Sound familiar? .....you bet.

Oh isn't that interesting a completely different and well respected magazine reporting almost word for word the identical prediction that Dr David Viner gave from a different climate scientist.

But of course Dr David Viner was "misrepresented" he wasn't really gîving the predictions on which there was a consensus that snow was a thing of the past.

[DimPrawn]

Minus 43 deg C in Mongolia

Birding Mongolia


And the loons said in 2008.....wait for it......

Mongolia on the Verge of Ecological Collapse: Warming Twice as Fast as Global Average : TreeHugger

[EternalOptimist]

This is great, we dont have to rubbish or debunk the latest Scare mongering bolks any more, pj will do the job.

maybe he's not such a big watermelon after all, maybe hes just a little cucumber

[BlasterBates]

My advice would be not to read the Herald Sun. Works for me. or if you must, assume it is BS until proven otherwise.

Anyhow, this thread has descended into the realms of parody....

DenialDepot: If Global Warming is true, why are there still snowstorms?

So I am calling it a day. Nice though, of BB to confirm the latest science

So lets get this straight; we can look forward to warmer, wetter periods with more droughts floods, more extreme cold, more heatwaves, more snow, mild winters, more wind and generally drier,and longer periods where the wind doesn't blow.


Interesting how the latest science waits for what happens to the climate and then suggests it's because of Global Warming. It would be far more plausible if they were predict it 10 years beforehand rather doing a complete U-Turn to fit the facts.

Theories that constantly have to be changed because they're wrong are usually bad theories.

[pjclarke]

My advice would be not to read the Herald Sun. Works for me. or if you must, assume it is BS until proven otherwise.

Anyhow, this thread has descended into the realms of parody....

DenialDepot: If Global Warming is true, why are there still snowstorms?

So I am calling it a day. Nice though, of BB to confirm the latest science

"Cold and snowy winters will be the rule, rather than the exception,"

More cold and snowy winters to come - Det Internasjonale Polaråret 2007-2008

[EternalOptimist]

ok, to be fair to pj, he is now trashing the original scare mongering headlines, we might wish he had done it earlier, but hey, better late than never.


So here is another scare mongering apocalyptic load of old cobblers. A 2 degree hike in temperatures will be catastrophic for our health and only prompt action can save us.

I invite pj to trash this headline, or do we have to wait ten years then have to wring it out of him

A LEADING Australian disease expert says prompt action on climate change is paramount to our survival on Earth

[pjclarke]

Cherry-pick snowstorms all you like, EO. here's what NASA reported

However, we note in our Reviews of Geophysics paper that the few years just prior to 2009-2010, with low Arctic sea ice, did not produce cold winters in Europe. The cold winter of 2009-2010 was associated with the most extreme Arctic Oscillation in the period of record. Figure 3, from our paper, shows that 7 of the last 10 European winters were warmer than the 1951-1980 average winter, and 10 of the past 10 summers were warmer than climatology. The average warming of European winters is at least as large as the average warming of summers, but it is less noticeable because of the much greater variability in winter.

Data.GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: 2010 — Global Temperature and Europe's Frigid Air

[BlasterBates]

Perhaps pj could point us to the link where Dr David Viner complained that he's been misrepresented. After all he's now a laughing stock as a result of that. Presumably he did complain, did he?

With those words ringing in our ears "children won't know what snow is" time to view a few piccy's in post Globally Warmed Britain.