Minestrone is right. Can't find the link now but recall they account for 60% of skunk cannabis growing. Sometimes kids smuggled from Vietnam to provide the labour. This is an organised crime that links to high tech cannabis growing in Vietnam.
Another of the frequently peddled PC myths is that problems of migrants all stem from racism and marginalisation here. Yet for every instance of major migrant/minority crime or social problems anywhere you will almost always find that same major crime/problem in the originating country. Economic usefulness too, the success of migrants here correlates rather well with the education and dynamism of their countries.
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Originally posted by minestrone View PostNo, but I have been there several times...
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostWell, you do live in Saigon.
In a hurry to get my train so this was the first link I found, bit old.
Police 'can't cope' as Vietnamese flood drugs trade | UK news | The Observer
They have pretty much all of the UKs hash/grass market and are moving onto selling other stuff.
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostWell, you do live in Saigon.
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Originally posted by minestrone View PostThe Vietnamese control much of the drug trade round here these days.
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I don't think it's just welfare that needs reform. We need to educate people well and offer them decent, fulfilling jobs at the end of it
Perceptions, of chavs or migrants, take a long time to change too. One of the best arguments for the strict control of migrants is to help British minorities, a negative perception created by some who should never have been admitted affects the prospects of those who are able. If they then feel they have no prospects they too might end up in the underclass and that creates more negative perceptions. There are complex feedbacks in these things, hard to reverse.
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The Vietnamese control much of the drug trade round here these days.
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The guy couldn't speak English so how is he going to understand the building regs that the indigenous builders are bound up in? Who picks up the tab for his wife and kids use of our infrastructure and safety nets?
It is time those in favour of huge immigration of the unskilled, the uneducated, the non English speaking and those with entirely unnaceptable beliefs on women/gays/whatever tried to argue their case without resorting to this you must be racist/Enoch crap.
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Originally posted by xoggoth View PostIn so far as we do have far too many idle chavs the solution is to address that by reform of our welfare system not further ruin any chances they do have of getting jobs. If we do not change our welfare culture the genuinely hard working migrants are only going to get as lazy as the rest in due course.
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It is a pity that some who trot out this guff about white chavs being lazy compared to hard working migrants don't try looking at some of the details on various migrant BME groups from the ONS and other reputable sources. Indians/Chinese generally do better than average but other major groups have higher crime/welfare/social housing, worse qualifications/health than the white indigenous population. We are not talking percentage points but multiples. Couple of relevant recent news item here:
Unemployment falls in South Tyneside - Local News - Shields Gazette
Tower Hamlets most at risk of unemployment in the country - News - East London Advertiser
The main point is that we should have strong controls and ONLY be taking the very best, we do not have a duty to take the others. We don't expect Oz or Canada to take our sink estate youths along with our engineers so why do we take in the uneducated and non English speaking?
In so far as we do have far too many idle chavs the solution is to address that by reform of our welfare system not further ruin any chances they do have of getting jobs. If we do not change our welfare culture the genuinely hard working migrants are only going to get as lazy as the rest in due course.
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Yet could easily be referred to as Vietnamese in the media, as a description of ethnic origin, rather than a description of nationality.
You think the meaning was obviously not racist. I think it was unclear and could easily be taken as such. R Singh agreed. Churchill has apparently forgiven me my typos. We're all one big happy family.
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostMy brother-in-law is Vietnamese and a civil engineer, having graduated from Heriott-Watt in 1986. He's also been a British citizen since 1990.
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostIn that case, you've not received an infraction for being racist, but rather have received an infraction for being careless - as detailed in the infraction email. I find it hard to see how "I can just about stomach Polish builders coming over here but this is taking it to another level" could be construed in any other way, especially in conjunction with the comment about using "our" safety net and infrastructure, and wondering who's going to pick up the tab.
The hit and run driver has now been, apparently, been caught. Walthamstow hit-and-run death crash: Two arrests - News - London 24
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