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Previously on "Own up... who wrote this?"

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  • Churchill
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    Originally posted by OwlHoot View Post
    Jesus, what a nightmare that doctrinaire arrogant guy must be to work with or, worse still, for.

    I wonder if there's any way to spot someone like that in an interview, and weed them out then.
    Well tbh you have to be careful who does the interviewing - it's a skill, just because one of your engineers is a tulip-hot developer doesn't mean they're going to be any good interviewing potential recruits.

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  • AtW
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    Originally posted by shaunbhoy View Post
    There is. Look for certain key trigger words. "Headhunted", "Hyabusa", and "£1M house in Wandsworth" rank high amongst these tell-tale pointers!

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  • shaunbhoy
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    Originally posted by OwlHoot View Post
    Jesus, what a nightmare that doctrinaire arrogant guy must be to work with or, worse still, for.

    I wonder if there's any way to spot someone like that in an interview, and weed them out then.
    There is. Look for certain key trigger words. "Headhunted", "Hyabusa", and "£1M house in Wandsworth" rank high amongst these tell-tale pointers!

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  • OwlHoot
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    Originally posted by d000hg View Post


    This is a snippet of what the PM received.

    ps: I'm not 'X'
    Jesus, what a nightmare that doctrinaire arrogant guy must be to work with or, worse still, for.

    I wonder if there's any way to spot someone like that in an interview, and weed them out then.

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  • doodab
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    Originally posted by thunderlizard View Post
    I do begrudgingly agree with him. Once you've sat and passed a Java programming test, you could be the best insurance-industry hybrid BA/PM in the world and they'd still only see you as a Java programmer.
    You have to fail the test to become a BA

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  • d000hg
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    Originally posted by shaunbhoy View Post
    Hard to knock his analytical skills on the basis of what you presented!!


    I reviewed X´s commits yesterday, and my worst impressions are confirmed. He is both amateur and unprofessional, and he either deliberately sabotaged my attempt at style uniformization or, alternatively, he is just too incompetent to comply. Either way, added to his behaviour in last meeting, I am not working with him. My capacity to teamwork has never been an issue or questioned before, but I choose who I work with. No pearls to the swine.

    As for ascertaining my capacity, you have had enough material so far to make that call. I gave less to each and every employer or potential employer I´ve had. If, however, you are interested in the cheap hacks such as those I´ve seen throughout the utterly unimpressive code base, hacks which make for additional features at the hidden cost of added encumbrance of the source code, then I am can tell beforehand I am not "capable" by your standards.

    Hackers like X are a dime a dozen, and I turned down a score job applicants at Acony which had just as "impressive", "hands on", "proven" experience with 3D real-time yadayadayada. At the end of the day, being respectful while working on the shared code base, flexible on the code dialect, willing to hear before talking, discussing before implementing, NOT competing, all these assets were valued. We never hired anyone based on previous experience on UE3, although it was a necessary knowledge with a very steep learning curve. It was simply besides the point. We never hired anyone trying to prove himself. We didn´t encourage that behaviour. We were a real team.

    No, you can´t wait until I figure out the idiosyncrasies in the engine, which is why you need X or whoever. Letting him run the show is a whole other ball game. And expecting me to play that ball game is yet another whole ball game.

    You HAVE seen my process and results. It appears you lack maturity in the software business to appreciate their value. I can deliver stability in scheduling, lower development and maintenance cost, reduce the dependence of the project on specific individuals (including myself), and everything else that professionals do. I said I liked the idea, the concept of your project. But not the way I´ve seen things run
    This is a snippet of what the PM received.

    ps: I'm not 'X'
    Last edited by d000hg; 5 June 2011, 11:28.

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  • shaunbhoy
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    Originally posted by d000hg View Post

    I've actually worked with someone like this.

    he sent a rant to the PM about everyone being too stupid, and left.
    Hard to knock his analytical skills on the basis of what you presented!!

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  • d000hg
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    Originally posted by thunderlizard View Post
    I do begrudgingly agree with him. Once you've sat and passed a Java programming test, you could be the best insurance-industry hybrid BA/PM in the world and they'd still only see you as a Java programmer.
    Yes but you don't say it when you want a job.

    I've actually worked with someone like this. They seemed very good on paper and got involved, but immediately started trying to tell everyone how to change how they worked. When people didn't immediately toe his line, he sent a rant to the PM about everyone being too stupid, and left.

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  • thunderlizard
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    I do begrudgingly agree with him. Once you've sat and passed a Java programming test, you could be the best insurance-industry hybrid BA/PM in the world and they'd still only see you as a Java programmer.

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  • jmo21
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    I saw that yesterday and immediately wondered if he was on cuk

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  • NickFitz
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    I like the pimp's email further down:

    Code:
    From: Lorena C------- 
    Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:43 PM
    To: Robin Lee
    Subject: Robin - a great Job Opportunity!
    
    Dear Robin,
    
    We are currently searching for a JOB TITLE to work in  CITY, 
    COUNTRY  for DURATION plus extensions. This is a fantastic 
    contract opportunity for a large multi-national client.
    
    The ideal candidate must have the following skills: SHORT 
    JOB DESCRIPTION. 
    
    If you are interested in this role, please reply immediately 
    and we will be happy to send you an in-depth job 
    specification. 
    
    Alternatively, if you have any colleagues who may be interested
    in this contract opportunity; please forward this email to them.
    If they are successfully placed at our client site, we will 
    award you with ?150.00 (220 Euros).
    
    MBA would like to apologise if this requirement does not match 
    your profile. 
    
    Thank you for your time and we hope to hear from you soon, 
    
    Regards 
    
    Lorena C-------
    Recruiting Team

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  • AtW
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    sasguru is about to change his job?

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  • d000hg
    started a topic Own up... who wrote this?

    Own up... who wrote this?

    After an in-person technical interview, we decided to advance a candidate to the next step in our hiring process, which is a brief, one-page written test with some relatively easy (or, easy to look-up) technical questions. It's designed mostly to gauge written communication, since our developers often interface directly with clients.

    Mea culpa, I forgot to attach the test. Turns out I didn't need to, this guy already aced the written communication test.

    From: Thomas B-------
    Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 10:37 AM
    To: James S------
    Subject: RE: Written Test


    When a big picture thinker with nearly 20 years of experience in
    IT sends you a resume and cover letter like mine and says that he
    can help you win a client that is pulling in 1.3 Billion per year,
    here's what you don't do:

    1. Set up an interview with a couple of in-the-box thinking
    Microsoft drones with questions on minutia.

    2. Hand him a test to see what his "style", attention to
    detail, and problem solving approach is.

    Here's my style: I am certain that I can run circles around your
    best developers with my own, original, incredibly efficient model;
    but more importantly, I am a director that can help them run
    circles around their own current misguided misconceptions. But I
    am thankful for this lesson, as I have learned that I need to add
    a cover to my cover letter that reads: If you are an in-the-box
    thinking Microsoft house, and you find yourself regurgitating
    terms like OOP, MVC, TDD, BDD, Cucumber, etc..., without really
    understanding what it all means and how much it is actually
    costing your company to have bought into that industry pushed
    bulltulip, then DO NOT contact me. I'd save you too much money,
    and you obviously do not want that.

    So the question now is: Did I pass the test?

    The answer is: **** yes I did.

    Thomas B-------

    PS. You forgot to attach the quiz.

    Do this: Print out a copy of it, ball it up, and throw it at
    your own forehead, because that's what I would do if I were
    there.
    So Thomas, are you on CUK? Perhaps a member of a society known for secret handshakes?

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