Reply to: Having a REALLY good time a university

[ThomasSoerensen]

And then these students complain!

I met a bunch of mid-twenty year olds on my ski holiday. Their plan was to leave the Uk for good, and never pay the loan back. One owed £45K.

Nice sense of responsability.

The system is clearly working well.

Good luck to you all.

[NotAllThere]

And then these students complain!

I met a bunch of mid-twenty year olds on my ski holiday. Their plan was to leave the Uk for good, and never pay the loan back. One owed £45K.

[Churchill]

Until people realise that going to University is a privilege and not a right then they're always going to be in a mess.

The bottom line is that there are too many people going to University.

[ThomasSoerensen]

Mr Soerensen, both you and I are proponents of a rather continental approach to many things in the educational sphere. The Danish approach is indeed one to be admired, and is open to British students in the form of both part time study and the Open University. However, my suggestions to this end have in the past been met with considerable skepticism and even snobbery; you really must learn to accept that the Britishers have their own special way of being crap at things, and we Europeans (a word which makes the Daily Wail readers ) should leave them to it.

In other words; this is CUK, so stop being so bloody sensible.

But Mitch, it is fun to show the £$%$%^s the solution and hear their "arguments" as to why the working solution is "no good" for them.
I guess I consider it entertainment.

I am beyond being frustrated by moronic "solutions", and I just do things the way that makes sense to me. Never follow the masses without thinking.

By the way, is it about time for our European x-mas lunch?

cheers
Thomas

[VectraMan]

£400 in my case.

Wot a waste of money.

You must be very old.

I had £2100 in 1989, then the same plus a £400 student loan for the next two years. So I ended up with an £800 student loan (plus about a £1.5K overdraft).

[Mich the Tester]

In Denmark for a certain of Bachelors degree (HD) there is a different way.

You work as an employee during the day and study for 4 year in the evenings.
Your employer pays tuition fees and books.

Most work in jobs highly relevant to the studies.

So you end up with people with practical experience in the field they have studied.
They have no student debt as they have received a salary during the studies and their employer has paid the University costs.

These people are highly sought after by businesses as you have proven you can handle a high workload and stress successfully.

Why not adobt a system like that?

Benefits: Uni gets paid, young people get employed and educated, business gets good employees that have proven their worth.
Drawbacks: Not all young people can handle the stress and has to stop the degree before graduating, so it is not "fair for everyone".

cheers
Thomas

Mr Soerensen, both you and I are proponents of a rather continental approach to many things in the educational sphere. The Danish approach is indeed one to be admired, and is open to British students in the form of both part time study and the Open University. However, my suggestions to this end have in the past been met with considerable skepticism and even snobbery; you really must learn to accept that the Britishers have their own special way of being crap at things, and we Europeans (a word which makes the Daily Wail readers ) should leave them to it.

In other words; this is CUK, so stop being so bloody sensible.

[ThomasSoerensen]

In Denmark for a certain of Bachelors degree (HD) there is a different way.

You work as an employee during the day and study for 4 year in the evenings.
Your employer pays tuition fees and books.

Most work in jobs highly relevant to the studies.

So you end up with people with practical experience in the field they have studied.
They have no student debt as they have received a salary during the studies and their employer has paid the University costs.

These people are highly sought after by businesses as you have proven you can handle a high workload and stress successfully.

Why not adobt a system like that?

Benefits: Uni gets paid, young people get employed and educated, business gets good employees that have proven their worth.
Drawbacks: Not all young people can handle the stress and has to stop the degree before graduating, so it is not "fair for everyone".

cheers
Thomas

[VectraMan]

What's green and takes a week to drink?

A grant cheque*.


*Historical note: A grant cheque was money given by the state to students to cover the cost of living whilst studying for a degree.

[Scrag Meister]

Wow!!

I remember when I was in higher education and survived on <2k a year, a gift from the government. :-) No tuition fees though. No student loans either.

[C0ldf1re]

... why can't the students just declare themselves bankrupt and walk away from it?

They used to do that! But new legislation says bankrupcty does not write off student loans.

[vetran]

typical, they screw everyone else out of the money but not the government

oh forgot they have gold plated pensions to pay

[Freamon]

How long will it be before student loans in the UK are handled like those in the US (i.e. virtually impossible to discharge by declaring bankruptcy)?

This is already the case:

The Student Loan and Bankruptcy

[amcdonald]

You're only young once

Anyway, why can't the students just declare themselves bankrupt and walk away from it?

Or do contract work abroad, keep moving countries and they'd give up chasing you I'd expect

[DimPrawn]

You're only young once

Anyway, why can't the students just declare themselves bankrupt and walk away from it?

Yep, it's a pretty good plan, especially if you are enjoying yourself that much you fail your degree anyway.

Woo hoo!

[OwlHoot]

You're only young once

Anyway, why can't the students just declare themselves bankrupt and walk away from it?