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Originally posted by xoggoth View PostBefore 8 IE was very forgiving of all sorts of things that were not in the "standards" (actually the way browsers should be in my opinion unless there's some important securtity consideration). You could even get away with .Width instead of .width in jscript. All the browsers can seem inconsistent, why does " in HTML show ok but ' doesn't?
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But I've been seeing this for years on FF.
And I just had a quick peek using IE8 - same thing!
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Originally posted by Platypus View Post
That's more than I could stomach
I wish Apple would give their Numbers spreadsheet a serious boost. It's fine for the occasional user, but really doesn't cut the mustard for serious business style number crunching.
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Originally posted by OwlHoot View PostOn many web sites that host news articles these will have trundled through several steps, being parsed and converted at each hop. So there's a fair chance some developer along the line will assume text is UTF-8 when it isn't, or vice versa. One often sees munged characters even on sites like the BBC and the Telegraph. (Well, no surprise with the last, as they've probably sacked most of their developers, but you'd expect the BBC to be a bit more savvy.)
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Originally posted by bogeyman View PostThe funny accented A's are just fancy curly opening/closing single or double quotes in this case.
It's CUKs' content management editor at fault I think. It should translate non-standard characters into HTML entities.
I wouldn't be surprised if Word does the same, but I don't think Excel does.
* I still haven't get used to seeing Oracle on the startup splash screen.
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Originally posted by bogeyman View PostGood on yer Nick, but shouldn't these characters be converted to HTML entites (“ etc.) at some point, before they hit the browser? The character encoding and code-page wouldn't matter then, would it?
It's only at display time that it makes sense to replace oddball characters with entities, and by then it's too late, as the characters got screwed up either when the file was created, when it was parsed, or when the forum database was updated - my current best guess is the parsing, but I need to confirm that.
The good news is that the main site CMS is soon to be upgraded to a system that's UTF-8 from end to end, so that should make it easier to sort things out.
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On many web sites that host news articles these will have trundled through several steps, being parsed and converted at each hop. So there's a fair chance some developer along the line will assume text is UTF-8 when it isn't, or vice versa. One often sees munged characters even on sites like the BBC and the Telegraph. (Well, no surprise with the last, as they've probably sacked most of their developers, but you'd expect the BBC to be a bit more savvy.)
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Originally posted by NickFitz View PostThe headlines in the sidebar come from the content management system for the main site, but the character encoding is getting mucked up for things like curly quotes: I think it's coming from over there as ISO-8859-1 but with curly quotes thrown in, then being parsed as UTF-8, then being stuck in a database configured to use ISO-8859-1
I'll see about getting it fixed
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The headlines in the sidebar come from the content management system for the main site, but the character encoding is getting mucked up for things like curly quotes: I think it's coming from over there as ISO-8859-1 but with curly quotes thrown in, then being parsed as UTF-8, then being stuck in a database configured to use ISO-8859-1
I'll see about getting it fixed
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Originally posted by Platypus View PostI'm on Win XP SP3, native (not VM) running FF 3.6.12
But I've been seeing this for years on FF.
And I just had a quick peek using IE8 - same thing!
I tried to chase this down once, and read lots of forum posts about character sets, but the replying geeks were so busy trying to out-geek each other with what-ifs and wherefores that any useful information (i.e. a simple fix) was completely obscured
The funny accented A's are just fancy curly opening/closing single or double quotes in this case.
It's CUKs' content management editor at fault I think. It should translate non-standard characters into HTML entities.
That doesn't seen to be happing for some reason.
It's not a fault with your browser or anything.
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Originally posted by bogeyman View PostCould be because the page is declared as charset=ISO-8859-1 (ISO LATIN 1) instead of charset=UTF-8 (Unicode).
The main problem is that non-ascii characters should be escaped or represented as entities (e.g. ” $lsquo; etc.).
EDIT: and furthermore, if it is, why don't the people who create such pages immediately see the error?
This very page is indeed ISO-8859-1Last edited by Platypus; 22 November 2010, 20:42.
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Originally posted by bogeyman View PostYou on a Mac Platypus?
I see the same thing on FF and Chrome (OS X 10.6.4).
See the same thing in FF on Win XP under VMWare too.
But I've been seeing this for years on FF.
And I just had a quick peek using IE8 - same thing!
I tried to chase this down once, and read lots of forum posts about character sets, but the replying geeks were so busy trying to out-geek each other with what-ifs and wherefores that any useful information (i.e. a simple fix) was completely obscured
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You on a Mac Platypus?
I see the same thing on FF and Chrome (OS X 10.6.4).
I see the same thing in FF on Win XP under VMWare too.
Could be because the page is declared as charset=ISO-8859-1 (ISO LATIN 1) instead of charset=UTF-8 (Unicode).
The main problem is that non-ascii characters should be escaped or represented as entities (e.g. ” ‘ etc.).Last edited by bogeyman; 22 November 2010, 20:36.
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