Are contractors "doers and grafters"?

[MrMark]

Cameron:



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I know we cannot be classed as inventors, entrepreneurs and wealth creators but as flexible/highly skilled workers do we contribute to wealth creation?

Seeing as we are "people who leave the comfort of a regular wage to strike out on their own" does this look like we might finally start getting left to just get on with it?

In reality a good number of us ended up contracting as we were perceived by permie employers as being too old/expensive, or too likely to avoid putting up with carp.

As for "doers and grafters" it's like this. You can work hard, or you can work smart. I think that contractors are more likely to work smart, but they can put in the extra effort when required. Where we do slip up sometimes (and obviously I don't speak for all of us) is in self-promotion or sales. If we had the right sales qualities, we wouldn't need the pimps. And how often have we seen ways to dramatically improve the efficiciency or costs in a business, but been unabled to convince the people in charge to change? That's where the major consultancies (sometimes) clean up.

[lukemg]

I am expecting an 'annual revenue>%80 from one source' type differentiator to whip us all into the fold, start saving....

[DimPrawn]

More likely to be portrayed as money-grubbing gits, in the same line as bankers.

Or GP's working cushy 9 to 5 and getting £200K plus gold plated pension.

[d000hg]

Seeing as we are "people who leave the comfort of a regular wage to strike out on their own" does this look like we might finally start getting left to just get on with it?

More likely to be portrayed as money-grubbing gits, in the same line as bankers.

[HairyArsedBloke]

Speak for yourself

Aye.

[Boudica]

Insofar as they sell their own personal time for an hourly/daily rate and are forbidden from benefitting from any surplus value that their work generates, contractors are the classic Marxist proletariat.

and we choose where we work and how much we get paid and choose things to buy, do, sell, holiday etc, yes, it's almost exactly the same

[MarillionFan]

Speak for yourself, I amongst others on this forum have contributed towards numerous pedant applications.

ftfy

[Boudica]

Speak for yourself, I amongst others on this forum have contributed towards urban dictionary definitions.

ftfy

[the song perfect 10]

I too have at least six international patents in my name for electronic circuit protection devices and telecoms test equipment.

As you say, not all of us are bog std perma-temps.

LOL, I am ....... not one of my contractrs would fall outside of IR35.

[thunderlizard]

Insofar as they sell their own personal time for an hourly/daily rate and are forbidden from benefitting from any surplus value that their work generates, contractors are the classic Marxist proletariat.

[DimPrawn]

Speak for yourself, I amongst others on this forum have contributed towards numerous patent applications.

I too have at least six international patents in my name for electronic circuit protection devices and telecoms test equipment.

As you say, not all of us are bog std perma-temps.

[SupremeSpod]

Cameron:



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I know we cannot be classed as inventors, entrepreneurs and wealth creators but as flexible/highly skilled workers do we contribute to wealth creation?

Seeing as we are "people who leave the comfort of a regular wage to strike out on their own" does this look like we might finally start getting left to just get on with it?

Speak for yourself, I amongst others on this forum have contributed towards numerous patent applications.

[DimPrawn]

I will believe it when I see it.

I am of the opinion that IR35 won't go away and return things to the way they were before Gordon slipped it in. I think the coalition will come up with an update or alternative which will be more concrete and able to produce a return for the chancellor.

If they make the rules "more concrete" you will find a lot of other professions such as acting, medical staff, lawyers etc providing personal services getting caught, and they'll put up a very loud fight indeed.

So no, such a fear is utter bollox I'd say.

More likely IR35 will be quietly dropped and people will be left to get on with earning money and boosting the economy through other taxes.

[Saddo]

Seeing as we are "people who leave the comfort of a regular wage to strike out on their own" does this look like we might finally start getting left to just get on with it?

I will believe it when I see it.

I am of the opinion that IR35 won't go away and return things to the way they were before Gordon slipped it in. I think the coalition will come up with an update or alternative which will be more concrete and able to produce a return for the chancellor.

[Jog On]

Cameron:

Mr Cameron will also use his conference speech to stress the coalition's commitment to enterprise, saying it will be the "doers and grafters, the inventors and the entrepreneurs who get this economy going".

He will speak of his admiration for "people who leave the comfort of a regular wage to strike out on their own" and say "we need to get behind our wealth creators".

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I know we cannot be classed as inventors, entrepreneurs and wealth creators but as flexible/highly skilled workers do we contribute to wealth creation?

Seeing as we are "people who leave the comfort of a regular wage to strike out on their own" does this look like we might finally start getting left to just get on with it?