Hays paying on time sheets only.

[NickFitz]

Not really, that would be agent's internal processes. Nothing to do with contract (unless it said so, which I doubt) nor contractors working practices. As long as you actually supplied an invoice seriously doubt it would have a bearing

The whole point of self-billling is that you don't supply an invoice - they draw up the invoice and supply it to you along with the payment. Any invoice you supply is irrelevant in a self-billing arrangement.

Those whose agencies are operating self-billing (and many do) really ought to read HMRC's Self-billing guide.

[NickFitz]

Stating the bleedin' obvious I know (or I assume), but paying on timesheets must be a bang to rights indicator for IR35.

Did you read the HMRC link I posted above? Self billing is primarily about accounting for VAT on the supply of good or services; it has nothing to do with PAYE or employment status.

[MarillionFan]

By the sounds of it, would not just raising an invoice suffice?

Interestingly. They had just said I was missing a time sheet and so the invoice (i had sent didnt match) and they would like to delay for a week.

Bollocks! I'll change the invoice then and resend.

So obviously not quite as cut and dried as they like to think.

[Clippy]

Not really, that would be agent's internal processes. Nothing to do with contract (unless it said so, which I doubt) nor contractors working practices. As long as you actually supplied an invoice seriously doubt it would have a bearing

By the sounds of it, would not just raising an invoice suffice?

[Not So Wise]

Stating the bleedin' obvious I know (or I assume), but paying on timesheets must be a bang to rights indicator for IR35.

Not really, that would be agent's internal processes. Nothing to do with contract (unless it said so, which I doubt) nor contractors working practices. As long as you actually supplied an invoice seriously doubt it would have a bearing

[NotAllThere]

Stating the bleedin' obvious I know (or I assume), but paying on timesheets must be a bang to rights indicator for IR35.

No it isn't and has been discussed many times.

[OwlHoot]

Stating the bleedin' obvious I know (or I assume), but paying on timesheets must be a bang to rights indicator for IR35.

[MarillionFan]

Why why do people do this? always keep your billing up to date to minimise the exposure

I don't tend to bother that much for the odd £15-£20K. Seems a little desperate.

[Not So Wise]

I was about 8 weeks behind

Why why do people do this? always keep your billing up to date to minimise the exposure

[Durbs]

Is this unique to Hays as I always thought they worked off invoices or do a number of agencies operate in this way?

I'm with Hays on my current contract and after starting i sent my invoice as i usually do. Was phoned by them and told its timesheet only so dont bother invoicing. Surprised they didn't tell you (well i'm not actually!).

[NickFitz]

Thx. Interesting. Not come across it before, but it was interesting that they didnt refer to any invoice I sent, but had paid me on timesheet when I hadnt raised an invoice. This means that they wont even note the mistake I made on my invoice.

Yep. A few years ago I found that though I'd been faxing my timesheet to my brolly company weekly so they could raise an invoice, the agency had been self-billing from the online timesheet. I just wish the brolly hadn't let me keep on doing it for around seventeen months before letting me know I needn't bother

[MarillionFan]

Self billing - a lot of agencies do it, including Hays it appears.

(I notice that the text refers to "contractors"... but in the URL, the pathname is "temps". Speaks volumes about Hays...)


Some forum comes up in the Google results too, but I'm not sure how far you could trust that lot

Thx. Interesting. Not come across it before, but it was interesting that they didnt refer to any invoice I sent, but had paid me on timesheet when I hadnt raised an invoice. This means that they wont even note the mistake I made on my invoice.

[NickFitz]

Self billing - a lot of agencies do it, including Hays it appears.

(I notice that the text refers to "contractors"... but in the URL, the pathname is "temps". Speaks volumes about Hays...)


Some forum comes up in the Google results too, but I'm not sure how far you could trust that lot

[stillooking]

Lots of agencies work off the timesheet rather than look at the invoice. It's probably quicker for them to process etc.

[MarillionFan]

Finishing up on a contract this week and decided to get my invoices up to date. I was about 8 weeks behind and when reviewing my invoices noticed that I had missed a week out from an early invoice (ie 21st - 28th). I had of course faxed over timesheets. I had also invoiced for the wrong number of days one week.

On checking the bank I discovered that the week I hadn't invoiced for, plus the incorrect week had been paid anyway, based on the timesheet!

So it seems that Hays pay only on timesheets, not on raised invoices(as I had made a mistake here).

Is this unique to Hays as I always thought they worked off invoices or do a number of agencies operate in this way?