Reply to: Just what we need, more immigrants!

[shaunbhoy]

But if we did that we wouldn't have had the benefit of your existence and associated insights

You HAVEN'T had the benefit because all of my input goes over your head.

HTH

[SofaKingdom]

Lazy reposte 1/10.

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[Gibbon]

What can I say to something so eloquently put? T*t!

Lazy reposte 1/10.

[Troll]

What worries me more is the fact that nothing is being done about sterilising all the Chavs!!

But if we did that we wouldn't have had the benefit of your existence and associated insights

[Gonzo]

In the end, no, but I think you are missing the point Gonzo, it's about the pace not the nature. For most of us "Our" culture is whatever we grow up with so if that is actually a mix of cultures from all sorts of origins it is not a problem in itself. It is when immigration changes our society at a faster rate then we can readily adapt to that we get problems.

People don't like change, it makes them feel uncomfortable. People are wrong. Change is good.

Without change, we'd all be living rough like our ancestors did tens of thousands of years ago. Does that appeal?

How long have the things that we think of as absolutely fundamental really been with us? Like most of us that were born and brought up in England, I feel a strong attachment to the country that is England*. But it has only existed for roughly 1,000 years and I suspect that it took a few hundred years before anyone living there started to think of it in that way, but they got on with their lives regardless.

Everything in the affairs of humans is transient. I don't lose any sleep over it. Of course I am now an immigrant in somebody else's country so I am bound to think immigration is OK.



*Yeah, I know that I don't live there any more but I will be up in the middle of the night tonight watching the England v Germany match.

[minestrone]

In the end, no, but I think you are missing the point Gonzo, it's about the pace not the nature. For most of us "Our" culture is whatever we grow up with so if that is actually a mix of cultures from all sorts of origins it is not a problem in itself. It is when immigration changes our society at a faster rate then we can readily adapt to that we get problems.

You are trying not to address the points that I made.

[xoggoth]

Really, how much of an issue is it having Huegenots, Jews and Irish people living in Britain now? It's not. Why do you think it will be any different with any of the others, in the end?

In the end, no, but I think you are missing the point Gonzo, it's about the pace not the nature. For most of us "Our" culture is whatever we grow up with so if that is actually a mix of cultures from all sorts of origins it is not a problem in itself. It is when immigration changes our society at a faster rate then we can readily adapt to that we get problems.

[Sysman]

I just remember a bit when I had not so much hair on my arse.

Granny HAB used to go mental about it as she had it first hand.

Here's the bit where I remember that there were a fair few second and third generation immigrants at my school, and racialism was firmly stamped on. In that respect it was a bit of a sheltered existence.

[minestrone]

And you know what really ****s that dick off across the road is that we all have degrees, have good jobs, while his daughters are all stuck temping.

And that he got "retired" from the Police after getting caught drunk driving.

[Sysman]

See my above post. When we lost our Irish accents they hated us for being Catholic.

Ah, I do remember the Protestant-Catholic divide.

[minestrone]

You have misrepresented Zoggy's post.

First generation immigrants get a lot of tulip. It always been like that.

Their grandchildren get on fine.

See my above post. When we lost our Irish accents they hated us for being Catholic.

As I said...

The Rangers fans recently had a song about the Irish Famine banned by the Police, the little ditty went along the lines of "The Famine is over, why don't you go home".

[minestrone]

My family were the first Catholics to move into the area where I grew up in. The neighbours remarked "Catholics, we have never had any of you lot in here", the builders at the time had refused to sell the houses to Catholics or Irish. The people across the road refused to speak to us. They still do not speak to my Parents.

It took 30 years for the council to let us have a Catholic school in the area and they were happy for us to get bussed out the area 8 miles to get to school.

And you know what really ****s that dick off across the road is that we all have degrees, have good jobs, while his daughters are all stuck temping.

[Gonzo]

Bollocks, absolute bollocks.



These posters forced my family to change its name to get work.

The Rangers fans recently had a song about the Irish Famine banned by the Police, the little ditty went along the lines of "The Famine is over, why don't you go home".

You are living in a New Labour fantasy world if you think the Irish were accommodated "with open arms".

And your spelling is bloody terrible.

You have misrepresented Zoggy's post.

First generation immigrants get a lot of tulip. It always been like that.

Their grandchildren get on fine.

[HairyArsedBloke]

When I was a nipper a neighbour's euphemism for Indians was "Smoked Irishmen". It was out of date by then as far as I was concerned (I don't remember any racialism against the Irish), but it certainly tells a tale.

I just remember a bit when I had not so much hair on my arse.

Granny HAB used to go mental about it as she had it first hand.

[Sysman]

Bollocks, absolute bollocks.



These posters forced my family to change its name to get work.

The Rangers fans recently had a song about the Irish Famine banned by the Police, the little ditty went along the lines of "The Famine is over, why don't you go home".

You are living in a New Labour fantasy world if you think the Irish were accommodated "with open arms".

When I was a nipper a neighbour's euphemism for Indians was "Smoked Irishmen". It was out of date by then as far as I was concerned (I don't remember any racialism against the Irish), but it certainly tells a tale.