Reply to: contractor rights - bullying

[PerlOfWisdom]

Instead of criticising my credentials, fatarse, why not impress the board with yours. Or are you perhaps just a little reticient because you are a half-witted little oik from the council estate ? Mmm thought so.

I could have easily got a PhD if I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth instead of the council estate. I could even have probably been able to judge the amount of fat on someone's arse just by reading their posts.

[Jabberwocky]

I have to agree; it's like the silence of the lambs. Bye, bye Fungus, hello Lamb chop.

[EternalOptimist]

Do you have change for a tenner or do I give you the fiver later?

being an incorruptable contactor, this has swayed my judgement

mmmm

on balance I think jabberwocky won this one

[xoggoth]

BTW Anyone can get a Ph.D if they are prepared to work for a pittance for 3+ years on something that few care about to produce work that few will care about.

Totally agree. And that is not sour grapes as I was offered a chance to do a PhD, following on from my 1st Class honours and turned it down. I am a genius with an IQ of 796 as I assume is patently obvious. 4 years in higher education was quite enough. As it turned out it was a good move as the thing I was to do it in, the next great world beater (a branch of biotechnology, using bugs to produce plastics and everything else under the sun) was anything but. Never heard the word since so have entirely forgotten what it was.

[Fungus]

Jabbers pisheeed

so I cange my opinion again


mmmm

on balance I think jabberwocky lost this one

Do you have change for a tenner or do I give you the fiver later?

[EternalOptimist]

pishhes

Jabbers pisheeed

so I cange my opinion again


mmmm

on balance I think jabberwocky lost this one

[Jabberwocky]

And I wasn't saying phds are clever than other people, just that it does give knowledge in the area in which it was held. No, fungus you clearly have a chip on your shoulder about your substandard education. It is true that some phd coast through the work - no doubt you were on of them.

[EternalOptimist]

Au contraire, trolls already win when they get someone getting angry.

Instead, a troll match would be exciting. When sasguru and jabber will have their own match?

er sorry Frankenstein, you are right

mmmm

on balance I think jabberwocky won this one

[Fungus]

Really, new ways to solve the quantum equations - what a load of bollocks - what equation would that be halfarse ? What interests me most is the new ways you used to solve these equations given that I also hold a PhD in mathematics. I suggest you do a google on PDEs ...

Explain away fatarse, if you can that is ....

[Jabberwocky]

Twat

From your comments I do not believe that you hold a doctorate. Unless you bought one.

The idea that no-one does research into fluid flow is absurd. Do a Google search twathead and you'll find oodles of research posts.

Well you have discovered that a lot of people on this forum have a Ph. D.. Including myself. Mine is in quantum mechanical modelling of materials, and I also developed new ways to solve the quantum equations. And you will have noticed that no-one here - apart from you - uses the puerile assertion that "I am more intelligent than you because I hold a doctorate and you don't". Twat

By the way, did I tell you that you are a complete twat.

I will become famous when I announce to the academic world that I have discovered a new Homonid, to be called Homo twattus giganteus, of which you are the type specimen. Now the good news. For a species to be recognised, a dead example - the type specimen - must be logged with the appropriate body.

Fungus

Really, new ways to solve the quantum equations - what a load of bollocks - what equation would that be halfarse ? What interests me most is the new ways you used to solve these equations given that I also hold a PhD in mathematics. I suggest you do a google on PDEs ...

Explain away fatarse, if you can that is ....

[Francko]

mmmm

on balance I think jabberwocky lost this one.

Au contraire, trolls already win when they get someone getting angry.

Instead, a troll match would be exciting. When sasguru and jabber will have their own match?

[EternalOptimist]

mmm

mmmm

on balance I think jabberwocky lost this one.

[Fungus]

The skills, my friend, which you are supposed to learn are in learning how to learn. I know this might sounds complicated. But denial of searching the knowledge and the truth is the first step to ignorance. Can you really learn those skills at work? Not really as you are pressured by time and constraints and your learning curve cannot progress as much as it can in the abstract academic world. Obviously, you cannot adapt your knowledge of an abstract world to a real one but saying that studying is counterproductive is not only stupid but also dangerous to the human society as a whole. I think you should withdraw your statement to enhance your professional image, I can understand jabber can be an annoying troll and, in this case, it pushed you out of your limits stating something you are not fully convinced of.

A key phrase in your post is "which you are supposed to learn".

And you say that "saying that studying is counterproductive is not only stupid but also dangerous to the human society as a whole".

I did not say that. Although you interpret it in that way. Let me explain.

As a Ph.D. student you are really little more than cheap labour, hopefully producing papers that will carry your name, and that of your supervisor. You will be earning diddly squat, and make no NI contributions. Most of the knowledge that you learn will not be of use later on, for the simple reason that very few people stay in research for more than a few years at most.

Okay, so you say that you learn how to learn. Well maybe. A Ph.D. confirms that you have performed some research judged to be of sufficient standard for the award of a doctorate. In the process you learn new techniques, mathematical and/or experimental, most of which will be of no future use. You will also learn ways to analyse data, and publications. Those skills might be of use. But then again, they might not be. I have found few of the skills to be of use, and would have been better off not doing research. In short, the industrial world requires different skills. Most companies do not allow you the freedom that someone with a doctorate is used to, and have difficulty with someone who expects such freedom.

BUT if for example you later do a job that involves complex mathematical modelling, then yes I agree that it would probably be easier to learn the maths during a Ph.D. than on the job. In that case a Ph.D. would be useful.

But I know plenty of examples of people awarded a Ph.D. who did not do original research. It is not uncommon for someone to be awarded a doctorate for writing a computer programme, though the university authorities would not be aware of that fact. The programme would be used by others to do original research, and as reward, the ensuing papers would carry the name of the programme's author. I am sure the same is true for experimental apparatus.

As an aside, I worked in Canada for a few years, and was taken back by the corruption. As an example, one famous professor had his name placed on a paper as a birthday present, despite not having contributed to the work. In many respects academia there was an old boys club.

The idea of academic freedom is also not as solid as one might think. Quite often a supervisor will attack a student who develops ideas that go against his/her own. You might have heard of Professor Brian Josephson. As a graduate student he developed novel ideas that were scoffed at by his supervisor. Fortunately he got support - I think it was from Neville Mott, later Professor Sir Neville Mott - and went on to be awarded the Nobel prize for his work on what came to be known as the Josephson Junction.

I am sure that many people who are awarded a doctorate do good creative work, but the assertion of Sausage Jocky that because someone has a Ph.D. they are more intelligent than others is codswallop.

Fungus

[Fungus]

C'mon - at least laugh at my picture?

Please Sir, I laughed at it.

[Fungus]

I have backed up everything I have said - I don't need to lay out my CV here because you are just a little boy with no formal education. Do you even have a degree ? Do you know what a wrangler is ?

If you knew anything about higher education you would know that flow analysis around turbine blades is done with CFD packages - noone does academic research on this sort of thing.

Twat

From your comments I do not believe that you hold a doctorate. Unless you bought one.

The idea that no-one does research into fluid flow is absurd. Do a Google search twathead and you'll find oodles of research posts.

Well you have discovered that a lot of people on this forum have a Ph. D.. Including myself. Mine is in quantum mechanical modelling of materials, and I also developed new ways to solve the quantum equations. And you will have noticed that no-one here - apart from you - uses the puerile assertion that "I am more intelligent than you because I hold a doctorate and you don't". Twat

By the way, did I tell you that you are a complete twat.

I will become famous when I announce to the academic world that I have discovered a new Homonid, to be called Homo twattus giganteus, of which you are the type specimen. Now the good news. For a species to be recognised, a dead example - the type specimen - must be logged with the appropriate body.

Fungus