Reply to: Our Problem??

[Doggy Styles]

What's all this about global recession? Why are we the last country to come out of it?

Gordon Brown has spent 12 years buggering up the UK economy.

Running an increasing deficit during the 'good times' is the financial equivalent of cutting off your own balls on your wedding night.

And removing proper supervision of the banks is equivalent to throwing the first-aid kit out of the window.

We can't even trade our way out of recession. Can anyone tell me how much manufacturing has dropped as a proportion of GDP under Blair/Brown, compared to under Thatcher/Major? Labour like to keep that quiet.

So most of what we have left to sell is financial services, and now Brown wants to punish them. He is a prize idiot.

[Scary]

If you dont like it then leave.

Given the chance I would.

Given the chance? Everyone is free to come and go. Particularly easy within the EU (there may be language barriers, but many mainland Europe dev teams are international and English speaking).

[BrilloPad]

If you dont like it then leave.

Given the chance I would.

[Spacecadet]

No more boom and bust

Just bust

[Tarquin Farquhar]

I didn't vote for them. In fact, most of the people didn't vote for them.

Same as in almost every election.

In fact, the Labour vote in 1997 was more than the Conservative vote by 12.5% of the total vote.

By contract, in 1979 (to take an example at random), the Conservative vote was more than the Labour vote by only 7.0% of the total vote.

Therefore the election of Labour in 1997 was substantially more legitimate than the election of Thatcher in 1979. QED.

[Scary]

I didn't vote for them. In fact, most of the people didn't vote for them.

But more of those who voted voted for them than for the other lot.

[VectraMan]

We got the government we voted for (if not the leader).

I didn't vote for them. In fact, most of the people didn't vote for them.

[Scary]

trouble is servants usually have rules on what they can spend and by how much....they dont get given a blank signed cheque book like these muppets have

In theory if you don't like it you can vote for someone else, and if you don't like the someone else you can stand yourself and if there are enough like-minded people you'll be in a position to do things differently. Of course in theory everything you can do in theory you can also do in practice. We got the government we voted for (if not the leader).

[northernladuk]

And have capitalism break out all around us? Heaven forfend! We should absolutely reward failure and those businesses that aren't good enough to make money should be paid for by the government, provided they're run by the right sort.

LOL ok ok there is that.

Was trying to keep in context with the original comments but not get in to the whole political debate about the current situation.

[Scary]

The government has overspent to get to help get us out or a global recession not of our making. What else could they do? Spend nothing and watch the banks and everything go bust around our ears?

And have capitalism break out all around us? Heaven forfend! We should absolutely reward failure and those businesses that aren't good enough to make money should be paid for by the government, provided they're run by the right sort.

[BlasterBates]

No different anywhere else. In Switzerland they've cut tax allowances, and generally tightened up employment laws, forcing previous self-employed to become employees, and hence pay more tax and Swiss National Insurance. No escape from the tax pension thumbscrew.

[northernladuk]

IS it just me or is everyone else also getting really fed up with the whole, "we need to pay more tax and all do our part to get out of the recession".

Why the hell is it our problem that the government has overspent, why do we have to bail them out?

Am getting more fed up of people not undertanding the actual situation and using it as a quick but inaccurate bit of government bashing.

The government has overspent to get to help get us out or a global recession not of our making. What else could they do? Spend nothing and watch the banks and everything go bust around our ears?

Any government would have had to overspend, bearing in mind this spend was to keep a lot of people in jobs (effectiveness and stratgy arguable i guess) but it had to be done

Because spending had to be done, cut backs and paying more also has to be done.

We sit there moaning about paying more tax while sitting at a desk which quite likely has at least 5 luxury electronic items on or near it with money in a bank which quite possibly wouldn't have existed no if action hadn't been taken.

If you can't get to grips with the fact we are gonna have to pay a little bit more and suffer a couple of cut backs in the short term I would suggest you look at emigrating for a few years.

[EternalOptimist]

trouble is servants usually have rules on what they can spend and by how much....they dont get given a blank signed cheque book like these muppets have

Thats as maybe, but you can get your servants to dress up in French maids outfits. I for one would be willing to forgive Brown a few of his tax rises if he would agree to dress up in a basque and fish nets for the Andrew Marr show in the run up to the election. He could launch his own collection - 'The sexy Stealth look'

[smalldog]

because they are our servants. If your servant spends too much at Harrods, it's you who has to pay the bill

trouble is servants usually have rules on what they can spend and by how much....they dont get given a blank signed cheque book like these muppets have

[shaunbhoy]

IS it just me or is everyone else also getting really fed up with the whole, "we need to pay more tax and all do our part to get out of the recession".

Why the hell is it our problem that the government has overspent, why do we have to bail them out?

Its only "fair".

HTH

Gordon Brown