Reply to: You young developers don't know you're born

[Zippy]

Oi.

That's my Line.

Ok.

FORTRAN IV.

Those were the days.

Aye - when the MTBF of the hardware was less than the time the code took to execute.

Them were the days indeed.

[NotAllThere]

Yeah, but you wouldn't want to write an ecommerce system with it!

No. You'd use ABAP and Web Dynpro for that.

[Moscow Mule]

Like fusion power, it's been 'around the corner' for decades that soon we'll be able to create software by connecting boxes and let the tool generate code for us.

Synon. Still dealing with the unsupportable bulltulip that pile of crap produced 15-odd years ago.

*shudder*

[d000hg]

Like fusion power, it's been 'around the corner' for decades that soon we'll be able to create software by connecting boxes and let the tool generate code for us.

The only times when you really can create software without writing code, the configuration files you have to set up end up being as hard to write as the code would have been in the first place.

[Jeebo72]

Fortran 77 ... those were the days ...

[bogeyman]

As well as standard visual design for forms and web-pages, Windows Workflow is about joinng boxes together

I only really use VS to knock-up C# prototypes with no UI so I suppose those wonders are lost on me.

[d000hg]

Blimey. Your VS must be a hell of a lot more visual than mine.

As well as standard visual design for forms and web-pages, Windows Workflow is about joinng boxes together

[shashee]

as a user experience specialist I can say that declaritive syntax has made my job much easier. It separates logic from the presentation.

[sasguru]

Well I must admit to not seeing SAS for a couple of decades.

In fact my only real experience of it is installing it and playing around making it do the 'cowboy hat' plot etc.

Perhaps it's come on in leaps and bounds.

For what I call proper BI, which to me is stats analysis and modelling, it really has no competitor.

[bogeyman]

Why ever not? I would certainly consider SAS for the back end for a system like that - tried and trusted with mega volumes of data, robust SQL capabilities, reporting and analysis tools second to none.

And I believe it has some web front-end tools written in some new-fangled language called Java.

Well I must admit to not seeing SAS for a couple of decades.

In fact my only real experience of it is installing it and playing around making it do the 'cowboy hat' plot etc.

Perhaps it's come on in leaps and bounds.

[sasguru]

Yeah, but you wouldn't want to write an ecommerce system with it!

Why ever not? I would certainly consider SAS for the back end for a system like that - tried and trusted with mega volumes of data, robust SQL capabilities, reporting and analysis tools second to none.

And I believe it has some web front-end tools written in some new-fangled language called Java.

[bogeyman]

That's visual studio innit?

Blimey. Your VS must be a hell of a lot more visual than mine.

[bogeyman]

Well last time I did some programming in a "modern" language was Java in 2002.
SAS on the other hand - still going strong and the base language has virtually been unchanged since 1976.

Yeah, but you wouldn't want to write an ecommerce system with it!

[suityou01]

I am always amazed by little programming has changed. It shouldn't be needed at all, we should have graphical designers where you just shove icons of things here and there, connect them, click a button and it's mostly done for you.
I used to work in control system simulation and that went that way back in the early 90s. You set up a plant diagram and typed values in basically. Many of the principals used could equally be applied to databases or any other application. Access does it in a small way but there is no reason why real db systems shouldn't in a far bigger way.

That's visual studio innit?

[sasguru]

Pointers? You're looking at Python and asking what happened to pointers? They've been dead at least a decade in traditional languages, much bigger things are different than that in modern languages like Python.

And yes, it's kind of fun. You get to spend much more time writing code to do something, rather than code to support the code that does something.

Well last time I did some programming in a "modern" language was Java in 2002.
SAS on the other hand - still going strong and the base language has virtually been unchanged since 1976.