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minestrone replied

20 June 2009, 18:17
Originally posted by Addanc View Post

True, but it don't alter what I said, "good use cases are 99% text" hence the diagrams are a waste of time.

I assume you are not a programmer.
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Addanc replied

20 June 2009, 18:02
Originally posted by minestrone View Post

Use case descriptions are not UML.

HTH

True, but it don't alter what I said, "good use cases are 99% text" hence the diagrams are a waste of time.
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thunderlizard replied

20 June 2009, 17:26
This is what we were recommending the last few times. You'll find we're quite consistent.

http://forums.contractoruk.com/techn...ml-please.html

http://forums.contractoruk.com/techn...uml-books.html

http://forums.contractoruk.com/busin...mendation.html

http://forums.contractoruk.com/techn...-find-out.html
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minestrone replied

20 June 2009, 16:33
Originally posted by Addanc View Post

Good use cases are 99% text based.

HTH

Use case descriptions are not UML.

HTH
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Addanc replied

20 June 2009, 14:28
Originally posted by minestrone View Post

Well a little stick man actor with an arrow pointing to a bubble with "User login" written in the middle is hardly worth a training course.

Good use cases are 99% text based.

HTH
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threaded replied

20 June 2009, 10:11
Originally posted by themistry View Post

All I can say is that "Fairly New graduate" and "Enterprise Architecture" don't really go hand in hand...

Good luck on the systems im sure you will be desimating...

TM

I'm sure the 3 letter consultancy he's working for will be charging him out at premium rates tho'.
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portseven replied

20 June 2009, 09:59
Originally posted by themistry View Post

All I can say is that "Fairly New graduate" and "Enterprise Architecture" don't really go hand in hand...

Good luck on the systems im sure you will be desimating...

TM

My thoughts exactly, any good architect needs to have been round the block a few times and the scars to show it.

These young whipper-snappers...
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NickFitz replied

20 June 2009, 02:46
Originally posted by minestrone View Post

Well a little stick man actor with an arrow pointing to a bubble with "User login" written in the middle is hardly worth a training course.

I've dealt with some clients of whom it may justly be said that your example is the only language they understand - once they've been on a course that explains what the stick man and the bubble represent
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themistry replied

19 June 2009, 23:20
All I can say is that "Fairly New graduate" and "Enterprise Architecture" don't really go hand in hand...

Good luck on the systems im sure you will be desimating...

TM
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swamp replied

19 June 2009, 22:59
Originally posted by Fairly New graduate View Post

Can someone give me some advice with getting started with UML? I am completey new to it and need advice on books, websites etc etc.

Yes. Ignore it. Well, learn enough to claim you know it, but realise that it's not really very good.

UML isn't technical enough to be useful as an accurate description for code. But UML is also too complex for non-techies. It's rubbish, and most of the good developers I know will just draw any old box diagrams.

Read this:

http://www.therichwebexperience.com/...language_.html
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TimberWolf replied

19 June 2009, 20:47
A good book on OOP/OOD will cover UML too.
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minestrone replied

19 June 2009, 20:46
Originally posted by dezze View Post

Use cases & descriptions are used by business, developers, testers etc to help specify a system...so UML isn't totally for technical staff.

Well a little stick man actor with an arrow pointing to a bubble with "User login" written in the middle is hardly worth a training course.
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dezze replied

19 June 2009, 20:34
Originally posted by minestrone View Post

UML is a descriptive visual language designed to communicate technical infomation between technical people.

Not being harsh but if you are not technical then UML is not going to be of any use to you in enterprise architecture work.

Use cases & descriptions are used by business, developers, testers etc to help specify a system...so UML isn't totally for technical staff.
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minestrone replied

19 June 2009, 20:15
Originally posted by Fairly New graduate View Post

I'm not from a techy background, coming at this with a view to using it within enterprise architecture work.

UML is a descriptive visual language designed to communicate technical infomation between technical people.

Not being harsh but if you are not technical then UML is not going to be of any use to you in enterprise architecture work.
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suityou01 replied

19 June 2009, 20:00
Originally posted by Fairly New graduate View Post

Can someone give me some advice with getting started with UML? I am completey new to it and need advice on books, websites etc etc.

Get yourself a copy of ArgoUML and go through the tutorials. Also I think there is actually a UML for dummies book that is quite good.

Read, understand, and then never use it again.

HTH
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