Reply to: Tax dodging scum

[DimPrawn]

I disagree. Never been one but most recruitment agents I have known have shown a mix of the following:

Determined, resourceful, thick-skinned, creative, orators, salesmen, negotiators etc etc.

Just because they are less tangible skills, doesn't mean they are not skills surely?

Throw in devious, dishonest and self-serving and you have the recipe that made Tony Blair the man he is.

[oracleslave]

I see where your error arose though - since being a recruitment agent requires no special skills at all.

I disagree. Never been one but most recruitment agents I have known have shown a mix of the following:

Determined, resourceful, thick-skinned, creative, orators, salesmen, negotiators etc etc.

Just because they are less tangible skills, doesn't mean they are not skills surely?

[NotAllThere]

... We could all be brain surgeons or entertainers or software architects if we wanted to be...

Most people are too dumb or haven't the fine motor skills to be a brain surgeon. Most people are too dumb or haven't sufficient abstraction ability to make it as a software architect. Most people haven't the practical ability, or interpersonal skills, or wit to be an entertainer. Most people haven't the ball skill to be a professional footballer.

I see where your error arose though - since being a recruitment agent requires no special skills at all.

[Board Game Geek]

With all due respect Dodgy, you are probably in the worst position to value a person's skills, since all you consider is their net worth and margin. That's the bottom line for you.

It may have escaped your knowledge, but there is an awful lot more to people than the 2 things mentioned above.

Reducing people to their net worth and margin is a dehumanising process, and at best, shows a complete disregard for others. At worst, it's deliberate exploitation.

We could all be brain surgeons or entertainers or footballers or software architects if we wanted to be, but we choose not to

I disagree. Whilst we may all have the opportunity to be any of the above, it comes down to skill, or talent or training. Even environment.

What these people dont want is some patronising liberal telling them that they are "worth more"

Is there anything patronising about asking people to reassess the value they place in people ? I don't think so.

I'm concerned with the cult of celebrity and how a large amount of the population are manipulated to value people far above their true worth, whilst at the same time ignore others who are just as deserving.

That's social engineering with a media bent, and it only serves the vested interests of the few.

For <insert name of Deity>'s sake, Dodgy, do you enjoy accepting the status quo, safe in the knowledge that as long as you are ok, then there's no need to challenge things ?

Would you even patronise the average surgeon and tell him that he is underpaid for what he does? I reckon that if you did he would smack you in the mouth.

I can find out. I'm not going to ask the question in the way you advocate, since by virtue it is not the way to chat with people. I'll just ask something along the lines of "Why is a footballer paid 80K a week for his job and yet you earn approx 100K a year for yours ?"

Why not the reverse ?

Supply and demand..yeah of course.

It's obvious that we all need footballers, they are so essential.

Doctors ? Pah...

[Cyberman]

Brain surgeons can not persuade 60,000(more or less) people every week to see them performing their trade

Generally permies also say the same stuff about contractors...

How can anybody be worth £500(or whatever) a day ?

This is the problem with socialists. They have no idea of supply and demand with regard to top skills and how those skills actually generate wealth in the private sector.

[DodgyAgent]

I'm just trying to make a point that as a rule, the general public seem to accept this and don't question it.

We pay the people who matter a little, and the people who don't matter a lot.

(I'm not asking for a rate rise btw, I'm just a computer fixer-upper for 19 sites, and compared to a software architect who deals with large multi-nationals, they are more skilled than me and deserve more anyway.)

It's the national obession or indeed the world obession with devaluing the important things and valuing the trivial.

The general public that you sneer at a probably a better judge of value than you are. We could all be brain surgeons or entertainers or software architects if we wanted to be, but we choose not to. We choose to be a nurse or a first line support person or whatever even if the job pays £20k per year. What these people dont want is some patronising liberal telling them that they are "worth more"

Would you even patronise the average surgeon and tell him that he is underpaid for what he does? I reckon that if you did he would smack you in the mouth.

No matter how hard I try, I just dont find surgery funny or the least bit entertaining.

[Board Game Geek]

DA posted : You seem to be obsessed with surgeons and money. Are you really that low that you judge everyone by how much money they earn. Does it not occur to you that if Surgeons wanted to earn £80k per week then they would become professional footballers?

I'm just trying to make a point that as a rule, the general public seem to accept this and don't question it.

We pay the people who matter a little, and the people who don't matter a lot.

(I'm not asking for a rate rise btw, I'm just a computer fixer-upper for 19 sites, and compared to a software architect who deals with large multi-nationals, they are more skilled than me and deserve more anyway.)

It's the national obession or indeed the world obession with devaluing the important things and valuing the trivial.

[denver2k]

I'd expect circa 2625 people to turn up to watch you program.

thats the reason why i charge lot less

[Bagpuss]

Brain surgeons can not persuade 60,000(more or less) people every week to see them performing their trade

Generally permies also say the same stuff about contractors...

How can anybody be worth £500(or whatever) a day ?

80k a week, or 11,430 a day for 60,000 to come and watch. By that yardtick of worth, I'd expect circa 2625 people to turn up to watch you program.

[DodgyAgent]

How can anybody be worth 80K a week ?

I'm not sure even a brain surgeon would be worth that amount, but even if they were, then a footballer should be well below that figure.

What strange priorities we have in this country / world.

You seem to be obsessed with surgeons and money. Are you really that low that you judge everyone by how much money they earn. Does it not occur to you that if Surgeons wanted to earn £80k per week then they would become professional footballers?

[denver2k]

How can anybody be worth 80K a week ?

I'm not sure even a brain surgeon would be worth that amount, but even if they were, then a footballer should be well below that figure.

What strange priorities we have in this country / world.

Brain surgeons can not persuade 60,000(more or less) people every week to see them performing their trade

Generally permies also say the same stuff about contractors...

How can anybody be worth £500(or whatever) a day ?

[Board Game Geek]

Oracleslave wrote : I am priceless

So are some antiques.

Aw, bless.

[oracleslave]

How can anybody be worth 80K a week ?

I am priceless. Unfortunately not enough people realise that.

[Board Game Geek]

The star is renegotiating his £80,000-a-week salary after being 'unpleasantly surprised' at his income tax bills, which in his native Russia were only 13 per cent.

How can anybody be worth 80K a week ?

I'm not sure even a brain surgeon would be worth that amount, but even if they were, then a footballer should be well below that figure.

What strange priorities we have in this country / world.

[sasguru]

Yet again, Labour's mishandling of our economy is going to cause the best people to leave the country. :

You will be staying then.