Reply to: Scum

[Mich the Tester]

Wouldn't "listening for miaows" still be a form of observation, albeit an aural one, and therefore subject to changing the outcome of the experiment ?

Erm, good question. Yes, because only if the box isn't soundproofed can you hear the cat miaowing. Of course, cats have much better hearing than humans, so the cat would know that you're nearby just by hearing the slightest rub of your clothing, even if you stand very still. If the box isn't pongproofed then he'll smell you too. That means your presence close to the box might well affect the cat's behaviour.

If, however, the box is soundproof and pongproof as well as not being translucent, there's no way of knowing whether the cat is alive, so you can't really affect the experiment but also can't observe.

[Board Game Geek]

Wouldn't "listening for miaows" still be a form of observation, albeit an aural one, and therefore subject to changing the outcome of the experiment ?

[snaw]

No, you'll ruin it for everyone!

What about if we just kick the box a couple of times and listen for miaows ...

[d000hg]

I'll open the lid and have a look...

No, you'll ruin it for everyone!

[BrowneIssue]

Whatever happened to Schrödinger´s cat? Did it get out alive?

I'll open the lid and have a look...

[Mich the Tester]

I can see where you are coming from, but where are you going with this?

Well you can´t know where I´m going if you know where I´m coming from according to Heisenberg, so you have to start by forgetting where I´m coming from and then you can figure out where I´m going.

Something like that.

Whatever happened to Schrödinger´s cat? Did it get out alive?

[BrowneIssue]

In quantum ecclesiastics, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle states that certain pairs of spiritual properties, like use of contraception and momentum toward the sanctuary, cannot both be known to arbitrary precision. That is, the more precisely one property is known, the less precisely the other can be known. It is impossible to measure simultaneously both birth control and velocity of confession with any degree of accuracy or certainty.

I can see where you are coming from, but where are you going with this?

[Mich the Tester]

Can you quantify that?

In quantum ecclesiastics, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle states that certain pairs of spiritual properties, like use of contraception and momentum toward the sanctuary, cannot both be known to arbitrary precision. That is, the more precisely one property is known, the less precisely the other can be known. It is impossible to measure simultaneously both birth control and velocity of confession with any degree of accuracy or certainty.

[BrowneIssue]

If we had a rational science-based society people would beat each other to death over the interpretation of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.

Can you quantify that?

[shaunbhoy]

If we had a rational science-based society people would beat each other to death over the interpretation of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.

Are you certain?

IGMC

[xoggoth]

If we had a rational science-based society people would beat each other to death over the interpretation of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.

[Mich the Tester]

Parents telling their children "we are protestants" you mean. Again, the terms are still used as meaningless labels, whether for themselves or the people on the other 'side'. I doubt many self-described protestants know what defines protestantism. Or even know the basics of Christianity in general in most cases.

Well the people who killed that bloke obviously don't care but see it as a useful vehicle for their tribalism.

[d000hg]

I think it's safe to say these people don't understand religion and use it simply as a banner to justify their hatred. If it wasn't a football game it'd be something else.

Yes, they are scum.

Hear Hear.

[d000hg]

Yes, but parentage seems to be a very popular criteria for deciding which doctrine is 'most correct'.

Parents telling their children "we are protestants" you mean. Again, the terms are still used as meaningless labels, whether for themselves or the people on the other 'side'. I doubt many self-described protestants know what defines protestantism. Or even know the basics of Christianity in general in most cases.

[Incognito]

I guess they had their god on their side.

I think it's safe to say these people don't understand religion and use it simply as a banner to justify their hatred. If it wasn't a football game it'd be something else.

Yes, they are scum.