Job of the Day (or rather 2 days)

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Look at the vast list of skills required for this 2-day Linux contract

I know agents don't read CVs but do they even bother to read their own ads for made up jobs?

Oh no - silly me, they just C+P from somewhere else.

[TykeMerc]

How about this then

Senior Project Manager X6 Contract


Project Manager x 6 Manchester - £170 per day

My Manchester based Client is currently looking for several Project Managers to hold responsibility for the successful delivery of all work elements, ensuring compliance with the project management methodology and ensuring that the project is delivered on time, to budget and of the right quality.

The successful candidate will have extensive experience applying Project Management principles in challenging, high-risk environments and working to Prince 2 or similar methodologies. You will also have a track record of both managing budgets and the procurement of resources to a project as well as experience in creating and leading a multi-disciplinary project team.

Candidates are advised that the rate for this role is none negotiable. Please apply immediately for further information and a full job spec.

Location Manchester, Lancashire
Country England
Start Date ASAP
Rate £170/Day
Employment Business Hays IT
Contact Verity-Jane Heaton
Telephone 01625 532444
Fax 07092 858 304
Email [email protected]
Reference JS00525652
Posted Date 18/05/2009 12:32:07

experience in creating and leading a multi-disciplinary project team who will all be earning far more than you

I've seen that role posted by multiple agents for the better part of a week (I may even have pasted it from another agent in another thread here), I've also had 3 calls about it from agents keen to get me to apply, you can imagine my response.

£170 a day is a farce of a rate even for a techy let alone a professional PM, it's low £30's k salary when you take NI (employers and employees), bank holidays etc, etc, etc into account and under 30k if any amount of travel is needed for the commute. I'd have to be incredibly desperate to consider a role at that rate.

[BoredBloke]

Outside of IR35, as a perm role, £170 a day works out at approx £38K a year, which doesn't sound too shabby for a PM role surely ?

There are a few problems with what you have done.

1 - 38k may not be too shabby for a perm PM role, but this isn't perm. It's a contract and as such there will be fallow periods in the contractors working year.

2 - in the perm world the employee can expect other fringe benefits which the low day rate will not provide

3 - in the role it looks like they want the PM to recruit a team. I'd say that this makes the PM the top earner. To me this stinks of the sort of role which gets posted to test the bottom end of the market or worse still as an excuse to bring people in on a FTV visa. Afterall they advertised the role at a not too shabby rate and got no bites.

[gingerjedi]

I keep seeing a 2 day contract where they want someone to update some HP servers over a weekend, it says "must be SC cleared and available this weekend".

It's been popping up every week now for the past month.

[Bagpuss]

You know what they say..2 days is a long time in Linux

[darmstadt]

Candidates are advised that the rate for this role is none negotiable. Please apply immediately for further information and a full job spec.

What does that mean? When I see a posting with a basic error such as that then I think to myself that it really is not worth applying. Not only is the wording wrong but everything is negotiable, maybe I want to earn less

[Board Game Geek]

Outside of IR35, as a perm role, £170 a day works out at approx £38K a year, which doesn't sound too shabby for a PM role surely ?

[BlasterBates]

Looking at the rates for programmers...not sure, but you'll be earning less than the some of the cleaners.

[BoredBloke]

How about this then

Senior Project Manager X6 Contract


Project Manager x 6 Manchester - £170 per day

My Manchester based Client is currently looking for several Project Managers to hold responsibility for the successful delivery of all work elements, ensuring compliance with the project management methodology and ensuring that the project is delivered on time, to budget and of the right quality.

The successful candidate will have extensive experience applying Project Management principles in challenging, high-risk environments and working to Prince 2 or similar methodologies. You will also have a track record of both managing budgets and the procurement of resources to a project as well as experience in creating and leading a multi-disciplinary project team.

Candidates are advised that the rate for this role is none negotiable. Please apply immediately for further information and a full job spec.

Location Manchester, Lancashire
Country England
Start Date ASAP
Rate £170/Day
Employment Business Hays IT
Contact Verity-Jane Heaton
Telephone 01625 532444
Fax 07092 858 304
Email [email protected]
Reference JS00525652
Posted Date 18/05/2009 12:32:07

experience in creating and leading a multi-disciplinary project team who will all be earning far more than you

[MrMark]

Heh, got a lot of those skills (but not all of them). 2 day role hey? Why don't they just advertise for a mysql dba with apache on Linux experience, to administer the system over 2 days. It's not as if 2 weeks would be enough for this :-

Ability to gather requirements, design and implement appropriate solutions Strong process oriented experience in terms of implementation and completion

[Mich the Tester]

Going from past experience, I doubt that you'd even have working accounts and a PC or desk before the end of day one.

Or indeed sufficient time to fill in the clientco timesheet.

[b0redom]

Going from past experience, I doubt that you'd even have working accounts and a PC or desk before the end of day one.

[PM-Junkie]

Look at the vast list of skills required for this 2-day Linux contract

Plenty cheapness

[HairyArsedBloke]

... and to mentor ....

[OwlHoot]

Look at the vast list of skills required for this 2-day Linux contract