Reply to: Financial crisis: Free money coming your way!

[PAH]

PAH confused zero, null, and empty.

Is it my fault my theosaurus only has 200 pages listing all the different words for norks?

Hoping to get the illustrated edition for christmas.

[BrilloPad]

PAH confused zero, null, and empty.

damn! I was hoping someone was going to tell me where I have been going wrong all these (19) years.....

[expat]

I wonder what was deleted by moderator? What big secret am I missing out on?

PAH confused zero, null, and empty.

[BrilloPad]

One of the biggest secrets in IT is [deleted by moderator]

I wonder what was deleted by moderator? What big secret am I missing out on?

[PAH]

I'll pick Divide By Zero.

One of the biggest secrets in IT is [deleted by moderator]

[expat]

On a vaugely related note, if we see 'quantitive easing' next year, is now a good time to convert some sterling to gold? I had some in bullionvault some time back and, from what I can see, the price hasn't moved that much this year...

Do you want to buy gold for long-term stability, or as a speculative commodity?

[Sysman]

...and need lots of contractors to get them started again! BOOMED!

Time to pick a name for the boat/horse you will buy with your loot.

I'll pick Divide By Zero.

[sappatz]

Uk

thats called hyperinflation
its happening now in zimbabwe, which is probably an economic model for UK according to New lie
the current situation is very dangerous, we have a competitive devaluation of the UK pound, to fuel inflation

[TimberWolf]

On a vaugely related note, if we see 'quantitive easing' next year, is now a good time to convert some sterling to gold? I had some in bullionvault some time back and, from what I can see, the price hasn't moved that much this year...

No, you should not convert Sterling to Gold, you should spend it. If you do so, you will be no better than a traitor and should never be allowed to convert it back to Sterling.

[ratewhore]

On a vaugely related note, if we see 'quantitive easing' next year, is now a good time to convert some sterling to gold? I had some in bullionvault some time back and, from what I can see, the price hasn't moved that much this year...

[b0redom]

Why not re-mortgage?

Sadly locked in at a high fixed rate.

[Cheshire Cat]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...-your-way.html

New year is a time for new beginnings; for resolutions; for sweeping out the old and making a fresh start. But never before has the turning of the year brought such a transformation for the economic landscape. When the sun rises on January 1, it will do so on a world which has changed beyond recognition, a world in which interest rates are no longer the chief tool for economic policy-making and helicopter drops of money are the modus operandi; in which the banking system – that once-great foundation for the global economy – is on the brink of nationalisation; and in which the big question is not how much wealth the economy is capable of generating in the coming 12 months, but whether it faces a year or a decade of recession.

If anyone harboured doubts as to the scale of the crisis, these would have been dispelled on Tuesday night. Not only did the United States Federal Reserve cut its benchmark rate to zero; it also indicated that it will leave rates there for some considerable time and that it will pull out the big guns – in other words ready the printing presses – to fight the worsening crisis. The following morning we learned that the Bank of England had been considering reducing rates by even more than the percentage point it opted for this month. Zero – or near zero – interest rates are only a few months away on these shores.

These are drastic measures, but understandable when one considers the scale of the economic devastation thrown up by the financial crisis. It is not merely that most of the Western world is now in recession, but that its scale is of a kind few of us have experienced. Only months ago it seemed hyperbolic to compare it with that of the early 1990s – still less the 1970s or, God forbid, the 1930s. But the statistics are bearing out the pessimists' worst fears. Unemployment is rising at the fastest rate since the 1970s in the US, and in Britain faster than at most points during the last recession. Two million people will be jobless by Christmas. Companies of all hues, in all sectors, are laying off workers and slashing investment. Banks are cutting credit lines and leaving many firms facing bankruptcy. House prices are falling at a sharper rate than in modern history.

Even so, the fact that the Fed is advocating the sort of helicopter drops of cash Milton Friedman and Ben Bernanke once speculated about is startling. For as long as we can remember – whether you were trying to manipulate levels of money in the economy, as in the 1970s and early 1980s, or inflation, as in the 1990s and 2000s – interest rates have been the key tool at policy-makers' disposal. Those days are over. Instead, the Fed must control the economy by pumping money in and out directly. It must directly buy up assets until the economy finds its feet again. This has alarming precedents: it was the printing presses that did for Weimar Germany, and sparked Zimbabwean hyperinflation.

Should quantitative easing – as central bankers call these measures – prevent a long, drawn-out period of deflation, it would do so only at the cost of brewing up a tremendous bout of inflation in subsequent years. Whether this results in double-digit inflation is academic: the upshot will be a sharp rise in interest rates for a long period. A year or so ago it was fashionable to paraphrase Robert Frost to warn that we are trapped between the extremes of fire and ice. The contrast today is even more stark: on the one hand lies a long, potentially inescapable stretch of deflation, on the other is high inflation, high interest rates and sluggish growth.

As bad a taste as it may leave in the mouth, I feel the inflation option is the better one. This might seem peculiar given that the Consumer Price Index is still above 4 per cent, but before long the UK will be experiencing widespread falls in prices. Soon, we will be crying out for a little dose of inflation.

So, the chances are that the Bank of England will follow the Fed and drop rates to zero – or thereabouts. And life will start getting rather peculiar. It is not inconceivable that banks could start charging customers to hold their money – after all, their business model is predicated on positive interest rates. Some lucky households – those who took out tracker mortgages a few years ago – may find themselves with a negative interest rate, where their bank should be paying them for the privilege of holding their money. All of these things are possible with zero interest rates, though the Bank will most likely ape the Fed and cut only to a half or quarter percentage point. Mainly, though, just as the millennium bug sparked fears of a computer meltdown, the worry is that zero interest rates would cause an unpredictable chain reaction of destruction in the financial system.

The one thing likely to save us from the big zero is the pound's weakness. We are not in a sterling crisis – not yet at least. When currencies fall they usually do so for one of two reasons: because investors are worried that the economy is heading for a slump, or because they have lost faith in the people running the country. All the indications are that the pound's fall has owed more to the former; indeed, the yield on government debt, a key sign of faith in economic management, has dropped to the lowest levels in more than 20 years.

But while an International Monetary Fund bail-out is only a distant possibility, one cannot rule it out. The problem is that, for all those trillion-dollar figures that float around, we still don't know precisely the scale of the losses facing the banking system. The poisonous potion of mortgage debt which brought down the lenders has not yet been drawn out of the system, and governments have concentrated on life support. So, despite a
£50 billion infusion of public cash, Royal Bank of Scotland, HBOS and Lloyds TSB are still having to cut the amount they are lending, as they scramble to repair balance sheets. While this is to be expected, it has the by-product of worsening the slowdown. In a recession there are always plenty of opportunities to find bargains, but what if no one will lend you the money to buy one?

All of which is why it looks increasingly likely that the Government will have to go one step further towards nationalising the banking system. Just when you thought the financial crisis had died down – to be replaced by the economic slump – it returns. As the Bank Governor, Mervyn King, warned the Chancellor this week, the coming months will see more public money having to be put behind the banks. This is not quite the same as nationalising the "means of production" in an effort to exert government control, it is temporary hospitalisation. This is not Old Labour – it is new nationalisation, or, for those on the other side of the Atlantic, neo-nationalisation.

It is hard to predict what will emerge from this wreckage, but now is not the time to write the obituary of the US or the UK economy. The next few years will be tough, but we are not alone. Nowhere – not China, not the Middle East – will escape this slump. Times are bleak, and will remain so for a while. But the chances are that this time next year we will be talking about the green shoots of recovery, and speculating how long before the strange parallel world of zero interest rates comes to an end.

Fasten your seat belts

[AlfredJPruffock]

... Mainly, though, just as the millennium bug sparked fears of a computer meltdown, the worry is that zero interest rates would cause an unpredictable chain reaction of destruction in the financial system.



So that means we're going for zero interest rates and Devil take the Hidermost .

Perfect.

[BrilloPad]

What a load of horsetulip. I've been looking for a loan to get a loft conversion in B0redom Towers, and the cheapest I could find (admittedly a couple of weeks ago) ratewise where I can make overpayments / early repayments was 9.9%.

That's some mark up. Banks paying me to have a mortgage with them? Don't be silly.

Why not re-mortgage?

[b0redom]

What a load of horsetulip. I've been looking for a loan to get a loft conversion in B0redom Towers, and the cheapest I could find (admittedly a couple of weeks ago) ratewise where I can make overpayments / early repayments was 9.9%.

That's some mark up. Banks paying me to have a mortgage with them? Don't be silly.