Reply to: Shannon Mathews endgame?

[PAH]

This case goes some way to proving that people should have to earn the right to be parents.

Being a parent is the most responsible duty a human can have, yet it requires the least amount of education or qualification that the parents are fit for the role, either mentally, emotionally, or financially.

For every case the social services deal with correctly, there are many that are mishandled, or missed altogether. It's just not working.

I say they should develop a contraception that's given to girls before they become sexually active and can't be removed until a whole raft of critera has been met. With the planet getting more and more overpopulated it's either this or another world war.

[ratewhore]

I don't think the feelings that Karen Matthew's plan has stirred up are particularly middle-class. I think that there are just as many people shocked from other classes, upper-, lower- and under-.

What she did was wrong in anyone's eyes, no matter what you read; The Times, The Daily Mail, The Sun or Class War.

It's no good trying to provide a class-based explanation for her actions, when one doesn't exist, in order to then provoke a debate about capitalism, education and wealth-redistribution, which is what some left-wing apologists will no doubt be attempting.

The "Oh Dear" reaction is the right one. The words that are used may not be "Oh dear", depending upon your own education and background, but that is merely the displayed result of the common reaction that has taken place within any right-thinking individual.

It also seems to me, that to dismiss an argument from the middle-classes (whatever they are these days) as "pseudo-intellectual", and therefore worth less than one from some other class is a little arrogant.

That's what I said here...

[Purple Dalek]

Drugging your kid is normal? Probably. Doesn't make it right.

My point exactly. Everyone getting all fired up about this one case when the reality is most of the individual parts are 'normal', the only thing of note here is the confluence.

Do people blockade Boots to stop them selling massive amounts of these over-the-counter 'cough' medicines? Not really.

So why all the hand wringing?

[EternalOptimist]

It all sounds normal to me.

When I were t'lad , fatha used to come back from t'pub
tie me up wit washin line
an Mutha would stuff me under t'bed an call t'cops.
Then we'd go ta Butlins wi reward money
an do it all agin next week.

[NotAllThere]

My point is that is what normal is. You lot, with your 'oh dears', trying to impress your nuveau riche pseudo intellectual victorian middle class values on such a situation is mockingly absurd.

Drugging your kid is normal? Probably. Doesn't make it right.

[deano]

My point is that is what normal is. You lot, with your 'oh dears', trying to impress your nuveau riche pseudo intellectual victorian middle class values on such a situation is mockingly absurd.

I don't think the feelings that Karen Matthew's plan has stirred up are particularly middle-class. I think that there are just as many people shocked from other classes, upper-, lower- and under-.

What she did was wrong in anyone's eyes, no matter what you read; The Times, The Daily Mail, The Sun or Class War.

It's no good trying to provide a class-based explanation for her actions, when one doesn't exist, in order to then provoke a debate about capitalism, education and wealth-redistribution, which is what some left-wing apologists will no doubt be attempting.

The "Oh Dear" reaction is the right one. The words that are used may not be "Oh dear", depending upon your own education and background, but that is merely the displayed result of the common reaction that has taken place within any right-thinking individual.

It also seems to me, that to dismiss an argument from the middle-classes (whatever they are these days) as "pseudo-intellectual", and therefore worth less than one from some other class is a little arrogant.

[Ravello]

My point is that is what normal is. You lot, with your 'oh dears', trying to impress your nuveau riche pseudo intellectual victorian middle class values on such a situation is mockingly absurd.

nouveau

HTH

[realityhack]

My point is that is what normal is. You lot, with your 'oh dears', trying to impress your nuveau riche pseudo intellectual victorian middle class values on such a situation is mockingly absurd.

Agreed that normalcy is only a relative value, hence using terms like 'better'. By better I mean more stable, less likely to be tied up, that sort of thing.

[ratewhore]

My point is that is what normal is. You lot, with your 'oh dears', trying to impress your nuveau riche pseudo intellectual victorian middle class values on such a situation is mockingly absurd.

For a dalek - you are full of shit.

[Purple Dalek]

karen matthews is a fick and ugly chav innit.

Here endeth the lesson...

My point is that is what normal is. You lot, with your 'oh dears', trying to impress your nuveau riche pseudo intellectual victorian middle class values on such a situation is mockingly absurd.

[ratewhore]

karen matthews is a fick and ugly chav innit.

Here endeth the lesson...

[realityhack]

You don't think her whole childhood is going to be monitored with such extreme interest by an entire army of council social workers that it's going to produce it's own harm, that may well be even worse. One must realise that in the initial situation her life was more or less 'normal'...

Anything has to be better than being raised by those dangerous half-wits.
Having said that - she's lucky they didn't have the brains to be dangerous and think the situation through to its logical conclusion once they'd started this. Otherwise they might have entertained other options.

Social security will find a distant relative or foster family to care for her, she'll be fine.

[Purple Dalek]

It's all for the best really. It's Sharon Matthews' best and only real chance of escaping into (potentially) a normal life with relatively better prospects. In fact, there are orphanages in Zimbabwe that would give her a better upbringing.

You don't think her whole childhood is going to be monitored with such extreme interest by an entire army of council social workers that it's going to produce it's own harm, that may well be even worse. One must realise that in the initial situation her life was more or less 'normal'...

[zara_backdog]

On the radio it said that the children were on the child protection register for a while and then taken off. Looks like another investigtion here.....

[realityhack]

It's all for the best really. It's Sharon Matthews' best and only real chance of escaping into (potentially) a normal life with relatively better prospects. In fact, there are orphanages in Zimbabwe that would give her a better upbringing.