Reply to: Plan to let 50 million African immigrants into EU

[Purple Dalek]

We had a Thatcher. She didn't change anything about public sector pensions either.

You agreed what your government signed up to. Obviously you personally didn't agree: but if you don't like it, vote for the party that will change it. If there isn't one, start one. That's democracy.

Yes, it was her greatest failing, she should have sorted the civil service out first, but in real-politik, the miners were just begging for it.

[expat]

I never agreed to pay people on those terms and neither did most taxpayers. This is all about the public sector feathering their own nests. The sooner these unsustainable perks are removed the better it will be for the rest of us.
Labour tried to reduce the perks a couple of years ago, but as usual gave into their paymasters, the unions. We need another Thatcher, and quickly.
The current commitment is 1 trillion pounds and something has to give.

We had a Thatcher. She didn't change anything about public sector pensions either.

You agreed what your government signed up to. Obviously you personally didn't agree: but if you don't like it, vote for the party that will change it. If there isn't one, start one. That's democracy.

[expat]

It is not a question of keeping ones word it is a question of brutal economics.

I know but don't tell Cyberpot

[DodgyAgent]

If we didn't want to pay public sector pensions, we shouldn't have agreed to employ public servants on those terms. But we did (and by "we" I mean all governments including several Conservative), so now our choice is this:
1. keep our word.
2. break our word because we don't fancy paying what we promised to.

That sort of divides us into 2 kinds of people. Which kind are you?

It is not a question of keeping ones word it is a question of brutal economics. If the public servants swallow up huge amounts of our taxes into paying their pensions then we have a choice to either stop working ourselves or work somewhere else.

If these pensions are going to be paid then either taxes will have to rise or public services will be cut. If everyone decides to stop working or pay themselves salary that is taxed at 90% or work abroad then there will be no cake from which to feed the pensions. I for one will not tolerate any hike in taxes and I would look to relocate DodgyInc somewhere else.

[Cyberman]

If we didn't want to pay public sector pensions, we shouldn't have agreed to employ public servants on those terms. But we did (and by "we" I mean all governments including several Conservative), so now our choice is this:
1. keep our word.
2. break our word because we don't fancy paying what we promised to.

That sort of divides us into 2 kinds of people. Which kind are you?

I never agreed to pay people on those terms and neither did most taxpayers. This is all about the public sector feathering their own nests. The sooner these unsustainable perks are removed the better it will be for the rest of us.
Labour tried to reduce the perks a couple of years ago, but as usual gave into their paymasters, the unions. We need another Thatcher, and quickly.
The current commitment is 1 trillion pounds and something has to give.


Since when did New Lie ever keep their word???!!! The vote on the Lisbon treaty springs to mind immediately.

[expat]

If they cut public sector pensions, they would not need so many people to pay exhorbitant taxes in the future.
Nobody wants to work all of their life to pay other people's pensions and then not have one themselves, but that is precisely the situation that we are in.

It's only fair !!

If we didn't want to pay public sector pensions, we shouldn't have agreed to employ public servants on those terms. But we did (and by "we" I mean all governments including several Conservative), so now our choice is this:
1. keep our word.
2. break our word because we don't fancy paying what we promised to.

That sort of divides us into 2 kinds of people. Which kind are you?

[Purple Dalek]

Wasn't the pepper pot suit a bit of a giveaway?

Either that, the headscarf, of the prospect of her emptying her volumonous handbag to find it intimidated the young chap.

[Cyberman]

If they cut public sector pensions, they would not need so many people to pay exhorbitant taxes in the future.
Nobody wants to work all of their life to pay other people's pensions and then not have one themselves, but that is precisely the situation that we are in.

It's only fair !!

[BlasterBates]

I don't know where the Daily Express get their info from , but the idea that any of the other EU countries are battling to get 50 million African immigrants, sounds to me complete bollox.

[Purple Dalek]

The fact that the UK opted out of Schengen won't make a blind bit of difference, other than for immigrants to spend an addtional 20 seconds showing their visa/passport at the border.

Don't need a passport, my aged mum waved an old co-op stamp book on the way back from holiday last time.

[BlasterBates]

The fact that the UK opted out of Schengen won't make a blind bit of difference, other than for immigrants to spend an addtional 20 seconds showing their visa/passport at the border.

[tay]

Good plan, open the borders to the EU, it is only fair.

[lilelvis2000]

The I-Robot thing is a fantasy for at least another century. What Europe will need is more workers to fill the demographic timebomb caused by Europeans choosing not to have kids. It's a very simple choice, if you don't have more kids you will get that mob turning up

A lot of people selfishly do not like or want kids. The collective result will be a massive influx of aliens - so whats worse, more kids who will grow up with our culture and values or these immigrant types. European women need more support and encouragement to bear children, combined with favourable tax treatment for families. It would then be possible to avoid this coming invasion. France and Scando countries have quite progress tax / social care for encouragement of families.

Caused by the movement to have more women work (lowering overall wages) and materialism - dinks are very well off and can buy that beemer they've always wanted.

So now the government has attempted to bribe people with subsidised nursery care and 1 year off work. IMHO - lets turn back the clock and have women at home with the kids....everyone knows its the best way to raise children!

But I suppose we need cheap labour - aha! Lets bring in loads of Africans!

[Doggy Styles]

I thought the French were going to build our nuclear power stations for us.

[OwlHoot]

True - but let's not forget Chernobyl, 3 Mile Island, the hushed-up fire at (then) Windscale, etc. Hardly encouraging.

Can't vouch for the first two, but the Windscale disaster was caused almost entirely by politicians (Harold Macmillan's lot I think) being in a tearing hurry to get the thing running at full power and in fact above its design capacity.

At that time I think the reason was to get materials for nukes, as they were desperate to finish a 1 megaton bomb (which was the prerequisite to join the Yank research on something like equal terms).

But the longer the Government dithers today the more likely the same will happen all over again when they finally have to start building new power stations, on the cheap no doubt, in a desperate rush to forestall the blackouts and so on which will otherwise beset us in a few years the way things are going with the existing ageing crap being used.

Edit: Did a quick check, and there's an interesting article on Windscale here. The leak happened in 1957.