Reply to: Why New Lie will never win another election

[Cyberman]

Exactly. So that mantra about the Tories only ever putting up taxes to sort out a previous Labour mess can't apply. When the tax rises under Major were piled on top of Maggie's tax increases we'd already had at least 12 years of Tory government - so how could they have been due to the previous Labour government?

Of course there are other reasons to raise taxes, but what I am saying is that as sure as night follows day, a Labour government leaves a legacy of debt, waste and mismanagement for an incoming Tory government. This will happen yet again in 2010, probably necessitating tax rises.

[Cyberman]

I have asked you this before though and not had an answer - what incompetent handling of the economy explains the Major tax rises in the early 1990s ?

Have you never heard of the economic cycle ? Thought not !! Is your name Gordon Brown.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the pre Major governments were the Thatcher ones weren't they?

Exactly. So that mantra about the Tories only ever putting up taxes to sort out a previous Labour mess can't apply. When the tax rises under Major were piled on top of Maggie's tax increases we'd already had at least 12 years of Tory government - so how could they have been due to the previous Labour government?

[TykeMerc]

I have asked you this before though and not had an answer - what incompetent handling of the economy explains the Major tax rises in the early 1990s ?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the pre Major governments were the Thatcher ones weren't they?

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Taxes are far too high under New Lie. They should have been reducing tax in the boom times while the revenues were good. Thatcher raised taxes out of necessity after the usual Labour spending boom to fill the usual black hole. Now we will be in a similar scenario in 2010. It's scandalous the way Labour totally mismanage the economy and leave a complete mess for the Tories yet again.

I have asked you this before though and not had an answer - what incompetent handling of the economy explains the Major tax rises in the early 1990s ?

[Peoplesoft bloke]

The Tories have made errors but the difference is that they have the intelligence and determination to rectify them. New Lie never do. The Tories will pick up the pieces yet again unfortunately, but rest assured that they will return the economy to stability.

As I said.......

[Cyberman]

Indeed, but some Tory in-breed will be along soon to claim that Tory governments have always been faultless brave and noble and never make any errors wheras Labour ones always kill people's first born kids and charge 2 billion percent income tax.

The Tories have made errors but the difference is that they have the intelligence and determination to rectify them. New Lie never do. The Tories will pick up the pieces yet again unfortunately, but rest assured that they will return the economy to stability.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Admittedly the governments of the '70's were even worse with some spectacular cockups irrespective of their rosette colours.

I think on balance that our system of majority parliament government has been well tried and tested over decades and been found to be badly incapable of doing a good job.

Indeed, but some Tory in-breed will be along soon to claim that Tory governments have always been faultless brave and noble and never make any errors wheras Labour ones always kill people's first born kids and charge 2 billion percent income tax.

[Cyberman]

It's true taxes are too high; if it carries on we'll back to Thatcherite levels.

Taxes are far too high under New Lie. They should have been reducing tax in the boom times while the revenues were good. Thatcher raised taxes out of necessity after the usual Labour spending boom to fill the usual black hole. Now we will be in a similar scenario in 2010. It's scandalous the way Labour totally mismanage the economy and leave a complete mess for the Tories yet again.

[TykeMerc]

Boom and bust Under the Tories late 80s early 90s
Boom and bust under Labour late 90s late 00s

The only difference this time is the boom has lasted longer and so will the bust.

We've had 30 years of government unable to run the economy on an even keel.

Admittedly the governments of the '70's were even worse with some spectacular cockups irrespective of their rosette colours.

I think on balance that our system of majority parliament government has been well tried and tested over decades and been found to be badly incapable of doing a good job.

[Bagpuss]

Boom and bust Under the Tories late 80s early 90s
Boom and bust under Labour late 90s late 00s

The only difference this time is the boom has lasted longer and so will the bust.

We've had 20 years of government unable to run the economy on an even keel.

[HairyArsedBloke]

Pure fantasy. If you want to worry about democracy being at risk from those who fear the other side of the House, worry about the Right. They have more of a track record of musing that democracy is not working.

Civil Contingencies Act 2004 has been called "Blair's Enabling Act" as it has been compaired to Hitler's Enabling Act of 1933

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Nothing will ever convince me that high taxes are the answer to everything, but voting for New Lie is advocating that policy. Taxes eventually drive out the will for people to try to succeed by their own efforts. Hence all of income tax is now spent on the welfare state, almost 200 Billion per annum !!

It's true taxes are too high; if it carries on we'll back to Thatcherite levels.

[contractor79]

Some well known freedom-loving socialists: Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and Mao Tse Tung, responsible for the deaths of, say, a 100 million people.

atheists in power, hmm?

[Cyberman]

Except I don't. Unlike Cybertory and the other Tory automatons on here, I don't slavishly support one party.

Nothing will ever convince me that high taxes are the answer to everything, but voting for New Lie is advocating that policy. Taxes eventually drive out the will for people to try to succeed by their own efforts. Hence all of income tax is now spent on the welfare state, almost 200 Billion per annum !!