Reply to: Gordon brown death plot

[NickFitz]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7586801.stm

Can anyone figure out if these guys did anything? Apparently there was no plot in place...Just a statement on their website. I presume it would be illegal to visit their site. I can only guess this "article" they speak of is a PDF document in their browser cache.

Makes me want to security wipe my cache on a daily basis.

What makes you think that this is "a PDF document in their browser cache"?

The web is built on a client-server architecture. The document was allegedly found on a web server that they controlled, but if that was a web server with uncontrolled access for HTTP GET requests (like almost all web servers, that being the point of the web) then simply having done an HTTP GET for said document means nothing, given that the contents of the document (or more precisely resource, said document being the content provided by the Uniform Resource Locator) cannot be known until said resource is retrieved by the client.

The evidence against these people is not that their client software had a cached copy of something published on a server, but that they published something on a server. You have it down in your own description: "on their website". That means it's there on a server that they control the content of, and if they published it there, that can be seen as evidence against them.

If for some reason you end up visiting said web site and downloading said document, that's not your fault - any prosecution based on merely having a copy of such a document on the client, as opposed to supplying the original document on the server, relies on proving that you actively and systematically sought such documents, presumably for the purpose of furthering the aims of terrorists.

Although if your skin is of a darker shade than that of Action Man or Barbie, you may want to clear your cache anyway, as the Courts seem to have a problem understanding this.

[Cyberman]

When? Actually most of the time. The Tories were never careful with housekeeping. Never.

Thatcher (genuinely, I think) thought she was going to be, for a short while, though actually she wasn't (she was pulling off the illusion by selling off the investments of decades, generations even). Then she U-turned, while pretending not to, and overspent while pretending not to; which is the standard Tory method since WWII.

I challenge you to give me a list of profligate spending that the Tories carried out. If anything they were always criticised for not spending enough, especially on the NHS.

[Cyberman]

When? Actually most of the time. The Tories were never careful with housekeeping. Never.

Thatcher (genuinely, I think) thought she was going to be, for a short while, though actually she wasn't (she was pulling off the illusion by selling off the investments of decades, generations even). Then she U-turned, while pretending not to, and overspent while pretending not to; which is the standard Tory method since WWII.

I'll guarantee you that New Lie have taxed, spent and wasted billions more than the Tories did in 18 years of government. All income tax now of approx 190 Billion a year goes just to finance the welfare state!!

Taxes should never be at the current level after a major boom period, but now we can only expect higher taxes still in order to fill a massive black hole.

The Tories did not take 5 Billion a year from pensions, did not have a multi-billion windfall tax on energy companies, did not sell 3G for tens of Billions, sell our gold for Billions, give Billions back to the EU by destroying Thatcher's hard-fought for rebate, and did not add almost a million employees to the public sector, and did not waste over 20 Billion on an NHS system, 10 Billion on the Olympics etc etc etc. ,,, and still a 24 Billion borrowing deficit this quarter. OH DEAR !!

[expat]

Haha... profligacy under the Tories ? When ? The Tories were always careful with housekeeping and Thatcher was a stickler for that.... now we have the biggest deficit for decades. The past quarter was a massive 24 Billion when we should have had funds in the kitty. You're a joker !!!

When? Actually most of the time. The Tories were never careful with housekeeping. Never.

Thatcher (genuinely, I think) thought she was going to be, for a short while, though actually she wasn't (she was pulling off the illusion by selling off the investments of decades, generations even). Then she U-turned, while pretending not to, and overspent while pretending not to; which is the standard Tory method since WWII.

[Bright Spark]

Makes me want to security wipe my cache on a daily basis.

http://www.ccleaner.com/

I use it everyday! .

[lilelvis2000]

C'mon V, take the lot out.

If a terrorist 'atrocity' were committed and the whole of the labour cabinet were killed, who in the world would mourn?

Lets all hope the cops arn't monitoring this site.

[lilelvis2000]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7586801.stm

Can anyone figure out if these guys did anything? Apparently there was no plot in place...Just a statement on their website. I presume it would be illegal to visit their site. I can only guess this "article" they speak of is a PDF document in their browser cache.

Makes me want to security wipe my cache on a daily basis.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Haha... profligacy under the Tories ? When ? The Tories were always careful with housekeeping and Thatcher was a stickler for that.... now we have the biggest deficit for decades. The past quarter was a massive 24 Billion when we should have had funds in the kitty. You're a joker !!!

Gordon Brown inherited a spending deficit. Check your facts.

[thunderlizard]

careful with housekeeping

Except they didn't keep the houses. They sold off as many as they could at discounted prices.

[Cyberman]

Well, I agree with you partly there: Brown did promise no return to the bad old days of Tory inefficiency and profligacy, and he has only partially delivered.

Better than nothing, though. Better than the Tories, for sure.

Haha... profligacy under the Tories ? When ? The Tories were always careful with housekeeping and Thatcher was a stickler for that.... now we have the biggest deficit for decades. The past quarter was a massive 24 Billion when we should have had funds in the kitty. You're a joker !!!

[expat]

Anybody can prosper by incessant borrowing and increasing debt by not living within their means. It's when it becomes overwhelming and has to be financed that you hit the buffers. That is now happening to UK PLC and the lefties are still in denial. Remember 'NO RETURN TO BOOM AND BUST' ?

Well, I agree with you partly there: Brown did promise no return to the bad old days of Tory inefficiency and profligacy, and he has only partially delivered.

Better than nothing, though. Better than the Tories, for sure.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

... you're still a nitwit though.

Wow now I have arrived, being called a nitwit by the intellectual giant (and second placed cretin) that is CyberTory - I am so honoured.

[Cyberman]

WTF are you talking about? I didn't vote for Brown or Blair.

Edit - I haven't cast my vote in the cretin poll yet - but I think you just posted the decider.

... you're still a nitwit though.

[Cyberman]

Blame for what? Under Brown's chancellorship and premiership the UK economy has had an unparalleled period of growth, a profitable housing boom, low inflation, low unemployment, secure social services, low VAT by Eu standards, and one of the lowest income tax rates in Europe.

Look it up, guys: the UK has prospered under Brown. Fact.

Of course you don't want to pay employer's NIC on your income. So what?

Anybody can prosper by incessant borrowing and increasing debt by not living within their means. It's when it becomes overwhelming and has to be financed that you hit the buffers. That is now happening to UK PLC and the lefties are still in denial. Remember 'NO RETURN TO BOOM AND BUST' ?

[thunderlizard]

If he's done nothing wrong he's got nothing to fear.