Reply to: Staff paid below minimum wage

[oracleslave]

I don't believe in tipping.

Nice cop out you stingy git.

[Diver]

I don't believe in tipping. I pay for a service, if they are too stupid or lax to provide that service at the quoted cost; why should I compound their stupidity and lack of commercial aptitude; by bumping up their income with gratuities.

[RichardCranium]

Therefore, if paying by card, you should only pay the actual bill, and leave any gratuity in cash. If paying by cash, you should probably settle the bill first, and then explicitly leave the gratuity separately, for the avoidance of doubt.

Unless, of course, you will be claiming it through YourLtdCo in which case the tip goes on the bill. Ditto for taxi receipts.

[RichardCranium]

Do these people pay tax on their tips?

Yes, they do. The nice taxman is quite good at getting it off them too, lots if inspections etc.

The less you earn, the harder the time you get off the taxman.

[Gonzo]

Are you sure it was actually their payslip? I wouldn't put it past a content manager at the Beeb to have just grabbed the first image tagged "payslip" out of the image library and whacked it up there... only to remove it when the mocking emails started rolling in

That is a completely possible explanation

I am sure that the payslip had Hard Rock Cafe on it, there were three different lines for earnings, one was 38X£2.06, there were two others that I cannot now recall the details of.

But the total take home was over £700.

[NickFitz]

When that story was originally posted on the BBC website, it had a picture of the corresponding payslip with it.

The waitor/waitress earned over £700 that week. OK, they worked about 70 hours, but altogether after tax, they took home £700 and a bit more. Not so bad really.

When I looked later image of the payslip had been removed. I guess it did not support their agenda.

Are you sure it was actually their payslip? I wouldn't put it past a content manager at the Beeb to have just grabbed the first image tagged "payslip" out of the image library and whacked it up there... only to remove it when the mocking emails started rolling in

[Gonzo]

Hard Rock Cafe were only paying £2.06/hr... how on earth can they get away with that?

When that story was originally posted on the BBC website, it had a picture of the corresponding payslip with it.

The waitor/waitress earned over £700 that week. OK, they worked about 70 hours, but altogether after tax, they took home £700 and a bit more. Not so bad really.

When I looked later image of the payslip had been removed. I guess it did not support their agenda.

[NickFitz]

The way it works (or is supposed to work) is that tips paid as part of the bill (when you add something on and write it in, or punch it in these days) may legally be used by the business as funds from which to top up wages so as to bring them up to the minimum wage.

However tips paid in cash SHOULD NOT be used in this way, but should go directly to the person to whom the tip is given.

In practice, cash tips are normally pooled by staff and shared out on an equitable basis, so that kitchen staff and so forth also benefit therefrom. However the employing business is not legally permitted to treat cash tips given to an individual server as part of the wage.

Therefore, if paying by card, you should only pay the actual bill, and leave any gratuity in cash. If paying by cash, you should probably settle the bill first, and then explicitly leave the gratuity separately, for the avoidance of doubt.

[oracleslave]

Sorry, I just meant that maybe we should all try to get tips.

Arse, flat, fall

I geddit. If I relied on tips for a living with all my charm and personality I'd be in trouble.

[Zippy]

Nope

Sorry, I just meant that maybe we should all try to get tips.

Arse, flat, fall

[oracleslave]

Do you now leave a beer glass on your desk with few coins in it?

Nope

[Zippy]

Tell me about it. I waitered in a student town for 3 years. They are not the best tippers!

Do you now leave a beer glass on your desk with few coins in it?

[oracleslave]

I think this 'assumption' that wages will be made up directly by customers is disgusting.

Tell me about it. I waitered in a student town for 3 years. They are not the best tippers!

[Zippy]

Whether you agree with it or not, the minimum wage is supposed to guarantee a certain level of pay and there is no obligation on the customer to tip.
I think this 'assumption' that wages will be made up directly by customers is disgusting.

PS - when I tip, I make sure it is in cash and goes to the person who gave me good service. Never tip via credit/debit card as it is likely to be pocketed by the restaurant.

[chris79]

Not being funny here but everyone gets a chance to consider the offer on the table before they sign a contract of employment. It's one of 20 million companies you can go and work for, my advice is they should consider other options.