Reply to: Hate crimes soar after bombings

[BlasterBates]

No because its the in thing to insult americans

Americans are multi-racial so it isn't racist.

[cojak]

intolerance is everywhere

Even in Framley

sigh...

[Mailman]

Most were verbal abuse or minor assaults, but also include damage to property, including mosques and have a great "emotional impact", police said

So is saying "Americans are evil imperialist b*ds" also a hate crime?

No because its the in thing to insult americans. However...as soon as you insult an ayerab you are considered a racist!

Mailman

[SupremeSpod]

Who's that then? That one passed me by!

One of the assailants is a brother(half?) of a Man City Footballer.

[Lucifer Box]

expecially important (for the papers) one of the suspects having links to someone "famous"

Who's that then? That one passed me by!

[SupremeSpod]

Most were verbal abuse or minor assaults, but also include damage to property, including mosques and have a great "emotional impact", police said

So is saying "Americans are evil imperialist b*ds" also a hate crime?

Only if you is not black, init?

[Crazyhorse]

Most were verbal abuse or minor assaults, but also include damage to property, including mosques and have a great "emotional impact", police said

So is saying "Americans are evil imperialist b*ds" also a hate crime?

[Mailman]

I think you're missing the point, Snaw.

Why is one murder seemingly more heinous than the other? Both were vicious unprovoked attacks. One gets saturation news coverage, the other barely a mention.

Maybe it is because racist murders are more heinous? I don't subscribe to that view, but some clearly do.

Its the same reason why we only see stories from the London attacks that involve the pretty people (like that Sahara Islam chick).

Mailman

[snaw]

They're both heinous crimes LB. One is obviously more newsworthy and shocking than the other cause there is an unprovoked racially motivated attack involving a footballers brother, a white girlfriend and a guy trying to get away. That sells papers or get's viewers.

The other involves a drunken nighttime incident where someone confronts a nutjob and get's stabbed. Terrible, yes. Unusual, unfortunately not as it happens all the time. Guaranteed to sell thousands of more newspapers, probably not.

Bugger, just repeating what's already been said. <edit>

[Not So Wise]

Because one is just some guy going nuts on a buss, pretty regular occurance overall

Other is multiple guys over an extended period of time harrasing and persuing a kid and butching him with a axe, expecially important (for the papers) one of the suspects having links to someone "famous"

LB while i might agree with the bias about this in a lot of case's this really is not not one of them

[sasguru]

Beg to disagree

For once I disagree, Lucifer. The london incident happens all the time, terrible though it is - it is a result of an argument. Those of us who live in London would bear the chips in silence if the guy looked dangerous.
But its not often that a teenager is killed by embedding an axe in his head, especially when by all accounts he did not provoke the situation further.
BTW The London papers have given more coverage to the bus incident, so I just guess its where you are in the country.

[BlasterBates]

The reason why racial crimes or shall we say "cultural" (eg Northern Ireland) get more coverage is quite simply they often escalate and cause far more problems (in extreme cases ultimately civil war or genocide ) than say mugging or breaking into cars.

We only have to look at the Balkans or Africa to see how interacial conflict can escalate.

[Lucifer Box]

I think you're missing the point, Snaw.

Why is one murder seemingly more heinous than the other? Both were vicious unprovoked attacks. One gets saturation news coverage, the other barely a mention.

Maybe it is because racist murders are more heinous? I don't subscribe to that view, but some clearly do.

[snaw]

What do you think?

My point is merely observational, two equally heinous murders on the same day. One, black guy killed by white guy, news saturation coverage. The other, white guy killed by black guy, mentioned once on local news then forgotten.

Are we getting hysterical about racism, which may be a symptom of something else anyway?

Eh? One black guy get's chased after running away from a bunch of white guys hurling abuse and get's an axe embedded in his head. No one disputes this was a racist attack.

Another white guy get's stabbed on a bus after confronting a black guy for throwing chips at people on the bus. There is no reason to suggest that the guy was targetted because he was white or that it wouldn't have happened the same way if the confronter had been back. No one is suggesting this was a racist attack, but somehow you see some anti-racist conspiracy theory ...

Not being funny, but you are the one getting hysterical LB.

[Lucifer Box]

are you suggesting it's ok to go out and beat up yer local muslim cause of what happened on 7/7? Umm ...

What do you think?

My point is merely observational, two equally heinous murders on the same day. One, black guy killed by white guy, news saturation coverage. The other, white guy killed by black guy, mentioned once on local news then forgotten.

Are we getting hysterical about racism, which may be a symptom of something else anyway?