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Originally posted by Peoplesoft bloke View PostBecause this country is full of people like Clarkson who profess to want us to be a success but
1)Suggest anyone who wants to invest taxpayers money on this kind of thing is a communist lefty lesbian trade unionist.
2) Slag any British car made in the last 50 years just because it's British.
3)Think Thatcher was some kind of hero saviour genius.
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Originally posted by ace00 View PostIndeed. It is also a life-style choice. The Europeans encourage and subsidise agriculture and manafacturing. They don't do it for economic reasons but because they want to have countries that still make / grow stuff. I don't understand why this is considered such a bad thing in Britain
1)Suggest anyone who wants to invest taxpayers money on this kind of thing is a communist lefty lesbian trade unionist.
2) Slag any British car made in the last 50 years just because it's British.
3)Think Thatcher was some kind of hero saviour genius.
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Originally posted by ft101 View PostWhat everyone seems to miss when discussing the loss of a manufacturing base, is that if we're ever in a situation (eg war) where we need a large manufacturing base to quickly turnaround to making planes, munitions, tanks etc etc then we're ****ed.
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Originally posted by scooterscot View Post
Automation in production line manufacturing is fine for mature designs, however, it will never replace inventiveness, which I feel is (compared to the past) that we Brit's struggle to maintain. I think on an individual level this will change in the future and the state would do well to have more foresight in releasing this potential.
I think we do rather well on the small scale "creative" engineering. Look at the number of formula one and other motor sport teams based in the UK because of the engineering expertise we have.
It's turning innovative engineering into successfull products that we struggle with.
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Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostManufacturing output in real terms is about the same as it was in the 1970's.
Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostHowever employment in manufacturing has declined due, mainly due to automation and general productivity improvements, as anywhere else.
Automation in production line manufacturing is fine for mature designs, however, it will never replace inventiveness, which I feel is (compared to the past) that we Brit's struggle to maintain. I think on an individual level this will change in the future and the state would do well to have more foresight in releasing this potential.
Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostIf were one to argue about this it should be whether manufacturing in real terms should grow; most of Britain's growth is in services. The "decline" of manufacturing is not a valid debate; it should be renamed the lack of growth in manufacturing. However per $ earned services provide far more jobs.
On another note... There is also the issue of quality when manufacturing aboard. I've recently seen one my client's return a fabrication to the country of origin due to poor welding, carbon content of the weld was so high you could almost break it away with a screw driver. Project was delayed in fact they were committed to install at a considerable loss.
laterally when I was in wellington, NZ earlier in the year I saw the Hikitia Floating Crane Ship built in 1926 still in use today. Built in Glasgow, scotland - 'of course' I muttered to myself.Last edited by scooterscot; 22 August 2008, 11:27.
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostOne of the advantages of being educated at public school is that you can go through life without carrying a chip on your shoulder.
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Originally posted by DaveB View PostThe only thing I learnt from playing with Meccano was that I'd make a crap engineer
Oh , and those little square nuts will shred your fingers if you dont use the spanner!
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Originally posted by Bob Dalek View PostCompulsory Meccano lessons in schools, that's what we need.
Oh , and those little square nuts will shred your fingers if you dont use the spanner!
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One of the "finer" examples of this lack of co-operation was the location of the brake master cylinder on the Morris Minor. It was under the floor. Manufacturing reluctantly agreed to cut a hole in the floor and stick a removable plate there for access, like, er, to top up the fluid. Meanwhile that master cylinder was jammed up above one of the front suspension torsion bars, so according to the workshop manual you were supposed to dismantle the suspension to remove the thing.
Just the recipe for success on an economy model.
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Originally posted by expat View PostA public schoolboy. They're still prats, still own the country.
Just my tuppence worth.
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Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostManufacturing output in real terms is about the same as it was in the 1970's. Britain's manufacturing base hasn't declined at all, it has remained about the same. A lot of companies have been taken over by foreign companies. Britain, thanks, to Japanese manufacturers is a net exporter of cars; in the 1970's it was a net importer. However employment in manufacturing has declined due, mainly due to automation and general productivity improvements, as anywhere else.
If were one to argue about this it should be whether manufacturing in real terms should grow; most of Britain's growth is in services. The "decline" of manufacturing is not a valid debate; it should be renamed the lack of growth in manufacturing. However per $ earned services provide far more jobs.
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