Reply to: Extension :confused:

[xoggoth]

Nowt to stop you doing what you want. All this "a verbal contract is a contract" stuff is worth as much as the paper it is not written on if you think about it. Proof? He definitely said it m'lud.

Yes, I suppose there is a moral/ethical* aspect if you have given a definite undertaking that they have relied on, but that hardly applies to a casual conversation when you were given no time to consider.

*Not that we give a <whatever flower excrement translates to today> about morality/ethics.

[shoes]

aw! little monkey!!

Your rate negotiation is with the agency, not with the end client. The end client need never be aware of it. Since the agent won't have a clue about what you do or what has happened on the site just make up any old carp to justify an increase. It's the agents job to keep the client sweet from a rate perspective, don't forget they are supplying you, you are not supplying you.

[NickFitz]

I think is against the forum rules - I've been told off about it before by ferret.

Although it could be argued that this thread should be in "Business/Contracts" and is therefore off topic already

After all, one person's extension isn't necessarily an issue "affecting and of interest to contractors" - unlike, say, house prices, foreigners, rugby football, people's children's friends doing coke, patterns of behaviour of mobile telephone users, CUK titles...

[TheFaQQer]

I think is against the forum rules - I've been told off about it before by ferret.

I take it black with no sugar. Bring me a Digestive, while you're about it.

oi...u got others thread to hijack..leave this one

[Denny]

As much as I appreciate your attention, you're not my type.

Haven't you a bunny to boil somewhere?

Yes, but I can't seem to find you to stick in the pot.

[Churchill]

I take it black with no sugar. Bring me a Digestive, while you're about it.

As much as I appreciate your attention, you're not my type.

Haven't you a bunny to boil somewhere?

[Denny]

Ok, let's take the points one by one.

Firstly, having another contract in the bag isn't that great a bargaining chip - you're offering the client nothing.

Secondly, I think 3 months is a little soon to be asking for a rate rise, 6 months possibly, 12 months definitely.

Thirdly, you've delivered on what you've already been paid for. In effect you've completed your side of the contract.

My advice, take it or leave it would be to accept the extension at your current rate if 6 months or less. If they offer 12 months then ask for an increase to cover inflation.

I take it black with no sugar. Bring me a Digestive, while you're about it.

[Churchill]

What bargaining chips do you have to justify an increase? -- Have'nt started looking ,so no offers as such

How long was your original contract? -- 3 Months

Have your responsibilities changed markedly during the contract
--Yes have taken ownership and delivered many critical areas

Ok, let's take the points one by one.

Firstly, having another contract in the bag isn't that great a bargaining chip - you're offering the client nothing.

Secondly, I think 3 months is a little soon to be asking for a rate rise, 6 months possibly, 12 months definitely.

Thirdly, you've delivered on what you've already been paid for. In effect you've completed your side of the contract.

My advice, take it or leave it would be to accept the extension at your current rate if 6 months or less. If they offer 12 months then ask for an increase to cover inflation.

[Ruprect]

What bargaining chips do you have to justify an increase? -- Have'nt started looking ,so no offers as such

How long was your original contract? -- 3 Months

Have your responsibilities changed markedly during the contract
--Yes have taken ownership and delivered many critical areas

3 months - sounds like you are p i s s ing in the wind to be honest. "taken ownership and delivered many critical areas" I would think being a contractor you would have to do this anyway. Rate rise after 3 months looks cheeky IMO

I have a feeling that 'required funding ' thingy is the client's way of messing about and making sure that the contractor does'nt press for a rate rise...

[ratewhore]

Now that I have said yes does it mean that I have screwed my chances...
It was just a casual one-liner from the client manager and when the agent comes calling for the extension I can still tell them 'I will take up extension only if there is a rate rise, else i am fine to walk away!'....

Doesn't change a damn thing. These extensions are always subject to mutually acceptable terms...

[TheFaQQer]

What bargaining chips do you have to justify an increase? -- Have'nt started looking ,so no offers as such

How long was your original contract? -- 3 Months

Have your responsibilities changed markedly during the contract
--Yes have taken ownership and delivered many critical areas

I wouldn't really class you having another offer as a bargaining chip in justifying an increase - if it were me, then I'd be wishing you the best of luck in your new role and finding a replacement.

If you can make a case for why you should be getting an increase, then discuss it with the agent at renewal time. It might be worth hinting to the management now, though - if they are trying to secure funding off the back of your current interest and rate and you then spring it on them that you want more, then they may just bin you off anyway.

[Churchill]

Churchill attempting to be helpful and posting something which may or may not be useful ??

Churchill, as you have been a permie for a while now, perhaps you should stay away from contractor issues !!

Really?

Does the fact that I recruit contractors on a regular basis not have any bearing on this topic?

Hmmm, yes, I think it does.

[SandyDown]

What bargaining chips do you have to justify an increase?

How long was your original contract?

Have your responsibilities changed markedly during the contract?

Churchill attempting to be helpful and posting something which may or may not be useful ??

Churchill, as you have been a permie for a while now, perhaps you should stay away from contractor issues !!