Reply to: The Wrong Time to be a diabetic...

[NotAllThere]

... So before the 'advice' of a low fat diet was given to the Nation after the war they knew it was bad advice.

Funnily enough John Yudkin, the British author of "Pure, White and Deadly", was hounded by the food lobby as well as from the 50s he advocated that sugar from carbs caused obesity.

There's been a few documentaries about it. The government was nobbled by the food lobby. IIRC much of the funding came from the US corn syrup manufacturers.

[NigelJK]

and it's long term as well.

As Dr Atkins pointed out, his is a Diet (not an eating regime or faddy fashion), after you have your weight under control you find out where you daily limit for carbs is, for most it's around 20-50g to maintain your weight, you start to loose too much if you stay 100% carb free.

You'd be surprised how versatile cauliflower is.

[fullyautomatix]

My son is type 1, no known cause and no known cure, he is insulin dependant for life and needs to carefully control what he eats and he doesn't drink because he knows it will cause him problems, he has no choice.

I am only prejudiced against type 2 because whilst there is always the exception the large majority of type 2 (95% in America) is caused by lifestyle choice and what you find is many people who contract it look for any excuse to show it was not caused by their choice to shove pies and crisps down their necks and sitting on their a*rse

WTF?? You must be a right idiot.

I am type 2 and trust me I have as good a lifestyle as possible. Always eat healthy food cooked from scratch, regular gym etc. I am not overweight but still here I am. The only thing is, my parents are type 2 and besides that I cannot see how I could develop the disease.

PG is right in this thread, its the low carb diet that matters. Even the oral medication only works to a certain extent as I found. My diet currently has no bread, pasta, white rice, sugar, biscuits etc. But the low carb diet requires utmost dedication and commitment, no cheating, and it's long term as well.

[SueEllen]

Absolute bulltulip

From someone who was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes at 26 and went straight on to insulin - only starting on the tablets 10 years later.

Don't worry blacjac we pointed out his thickness or as sas would call it - the fact he's a cretin.

[blacjac]

Type 2 is lifestyle diabetes brought on by a poor diet, high cholesterol/blood pressure, pretty easy to control with tablets but like SueEllen says its surprising the amount of people who don't take this seriously.

Absolute bulltulip

From someone who was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes at 26 and went straight on to insulin - only starting on the tablets 10 years later.

[SueEllen]

Like MF?

Most top rank athletes have it easy. For an event up to 24 hours you can carb load. 1-2 days you can get by on sugar. After 2 days your body rejects food and you have to eat real food.

Keep up!

The advice now is not to carb load.

[BrilloPad]

Pretty common with many top rank athletes though.

Like MF?

Most top rank athletes have it easy. For an event up to 24 hours you can carb load. 1-2 days you can get by on sugar. After 2 days your body rejects food and you have to eat real food.

[PurpleGorilla]

Pretty common with many top rank athletes though.
Or do you think you can train for hours a day on a normal diet?

Read about this guys carb intake:

http://www.gq.com/story/real-life-diet-goldberg

This guy eats whole chocolate cakes before a competition:

http://www.gq.com/story/real-life-di...ur-bodybuilder

I DNGAF how fit they are; that's huge strain on the liver and pancreas.

Good luck with that!

[Support Monkey]

Gosh you are thick. If you did any form of intense amateur sport you would know how many calories you can burn up while training.

Well I reckon I must be, this is exactly the point I am making here is someone who once he was diagnosed was able to make the choice to control his diabetes, he controlled it so well he was able to continue to compete at the highest level sadly many people who are not athletes choose to eat just like that then look for excuses as to why they end up ill

[SueEllen]

Yeah, he was quaffing massive amounts of carbs and glucose.

Even if you burn it off, it's too much for the liver and pancreas.

Better to never consume high levels of carbs if at all possible.

Top amateur sports people have dietitians and doctors to advise them on what to eat.

At the time Redgrave was winning his medals they nearly all advocated eating lots of carbs and glucose to have the quick explosive power you need for sports like rowing.

Now the advice is different, and some actually say that some not all sports people can do well without eating carb stuff like pasta, rice and potatoes.

However saying he was eating too many calories is stupid as it was the form the calories were in that was a problem for him. I'm sure the guys he rowed with, who are similar builds, were eating the same diet but as they didn't push their bodies for as many years they haven't suffered.

[sasguru]

Yeah, he was quaffing massive amounts of carbs and glucose.
.

Pretty common with many top rank athletes though.
Or do you think you can train for hours a day on a normal diet?

Read about this guys carb intake:

http://www.gq.com/story/real-life-diet-goldberg

This guy eats whole chocolate cakes before a competition:

http://www.gq.com/story/real-life-di...ur-bodybuilder

[sasguru]

Clearly its you who don't read what your posting so I would suggest you stop talking about thing until you learn to stop and think first.

My point is (even if put across badly) is that TYPE2 can be caused by your Lifestyle choice, many !!NOT ALL!! people I have come across with type 2 fall into the category of making excuses and not taking responsibility for their own health, they could if they wish to make the choice to control a disease that will cause them major issues, many choose not to

Well looks like we finally educated you
DId take a while to get the fact into your thick bonce though.

From: Genetics of Diabetes: American Diabetes Association®

"Type 2 diabetes has a stronger link to family history and lineage than type 1, although it too depends on environmental factors."
"Studies of twins have shown that genetics play a very strong role in the development of type 2 diabetes"

[PurpleGorilla]

The Wrong Time to be a diabetic...

although not in Steve Redgraves case, he was just eating too much

Redgrave had won his first four Olympic gold medals while eating a diet of around 7,000 calories a day

Steve Redgrave - Olympian, Rower with Type 2 Diabetes

Yeah, he was quaffing massive amounts of carbs and glucose.

Even if you burn it off, it's too much for the liver and pancreas.

It's like saying as long as you maintain and service an engine and keep it in top condition, no matter how many miles on it, it's not going to suffer from wear and tear.


Better to never consume high levels of carbs if at all possible.

[SueEllen]

although not in Steve Redgraves case, he was just eating too much

Redgrave had won his first four Olympic gold medals while eating a diet of around 7,000 calories a day

Steve Redgrave - Olympian, Rower with Type 2 Diabetes

Gosh you are thick. If you did any form of intense amateur sport you would know how many calories you can burn up while training.

[Support Monkey]

I guess if you ever meet Steve Redgrave or Tom Hanks you just call them lazy f***s for not doing enough exercise.

although not in Steve Redgraves case, he was just eating too much

Redgrave had won his first four Olympic gold medals while eating a diet of around 7,000 calories a day

Steve Redgrave - Olympian, Rower with Type 2 Diabetes