Brown (taken out of a different thread)

[Hart-floot]

I find it difficult too; and there was W.S. Churchill, A. Eden, Harold "Supermac" McMillan, Alec Douglas Home, Harold "Coal Tips" Wilson, Ted "Grocer" Heath, Jim "Crisis, Wot Crisis" Callaghan, Margaret Hilda Thatcher, Some Grey chappie who likes cricket called, um, oh yes, John Major, and T. Bliar.

Wot a shower.

No wonder we're doomed.

Winston "We shall fight them on the beaches..." Churchill will do for me lol

[wendigo100]

While I'm here, there's another thing to be said for GB: you won't need any cash-for-honours or other corruption inquiries while he's in no. 10. You may not like what he does with money, but one thing he won't do is steal it for himself.

Not for himself, no. He is a very rich man.

However, the Labour party needs lots of money to run it, and I don't see GB donating a few million himself, so I don't see much change in the sleaze department.

Remember, while Blair was still playing his guitar with Ugly Rumours, GB was writing a book on fiddling money.

[zathras]

-- andrew_neil_uk

Don't confuse GB and TB, they are far from the same thing. I'm sure that GB still thinks nationalising a few things would be a good idea, but he thinks they can and should still be free that way (see B of E). TB OTOH doesn't want to nationalise (after all, he doesn't know what "socialism" means) but he can't stand any other institutions being free: that strikes him as a recipe for people not doing as (he knows) they should; i.e. for disaster. Nothing worse than people not doing what he wants.

While I'm here, there's another thing to be said for GB: you won't need any cash-for-honours or other corruption inquiries while he's in no. 10. You may not like what he does with money, but one thing he won't do is steal it for himself.

I presume you are joking. GB has been responsible for much of UK domestic policy. He is a control freak and not averse to a bit of spinning (just see how independent the BoE MPC actually is - or put it another way, who do you think oversees the appointment of about 50% of the roles on it). Then the announcement at the weekend over stop and search. If that was not enough hows about the way he hid a doubling of tax for the low paid as a tax reduction! What the hell do you call that, if not spinning.

No things will be a lot worse under GB since GB is an unreformed socialist, with a strong belief in redistribution.

The benefit system he created is just one big spin, introducing a system of tax credits so complex most of those who need it don't apply while creating the biggest group of people beholden to a Labour Government (with over 50% in some areas on benefits of one kind or another). As an act of Gerrymandering that puts Dame Whatshername into the shade.

And to top it all we have PFI - hiding gazillions of borrowing as a fee. Our Grandchildren will still be paying for this.

[Euro-commuter]

Well, TB has never believed in anything, GB is an out and out socialist, DC was educated at Eton.

Perfect!

[threaded]

It could be worse - we might hate Gordionio so much we vote for David Cameron....

Seriously - I really cant see any difference between TB, GB and DC. What am I missing?

Well, TB has never believed in anything, GB is an out and out socialist, DC was educated at Eton.

[Euro-commuter]

Oh deary deary me. You lot'll wake up with a start once Gordon Brown's in charge. Give it a year and you'll all be wanting Tony Bliar back...

Remember you read it here first!

Oh, I have no doubt that taxes will go up. But as for wanting Blair back, give us a break! Actually I can't think of any PM in my lifetime that I'd want back.

[BrilloPad]

Oh deary deary me. You lot'll wake up with a start once Gordon Brown's in charge. Give it a year and you'll all be wanting Tony Bliar back...

Remember you read it here first!

It could be worse - we might hate Gordionio so much we vote for David Cameron....

Seriously - I really cant see any difference between TB, GB and DC. What am I missing?

[threaded]

Oh deary deary me. You lot'll wake up with a start once Gordon Brown's in charge. Give it a year and you'll all be wanting Tony Bliar back...

Remember you read it here first!

[Euro-commuter]

I was trying to suggest that GB would control the press - but hey ho...

Yeah, sorry, I should not have attributed it, because I'm not arguing with you so much as being prompted by your words to muse on something....


But no, I don't think he'll control the press in the Blair spin way.

As for GB fan club, no. I just happen to belong to that minority group (on here anyway) that sees more shades than black and white (mostly black on here, surprisingly for a group of people so fortunate).

[BrilloPad]

I was trying to suggest that GB would control the press - but hey ho...

[Buffoon]

... Brown is less money-obsessed and in love with the celebrity culture than Blair ...

That’s true – he prefers to keep the nappies and the rocking horse in the closet.

... he is still going to continue to lick ar*e ...

That’s true too – but we should not discriminate on the basis of the sexuality.

[Hart-floot]

-- andrew_neil_uk

While I'm here, there's another thing to be said for GB: you won't need any cash-for-honours or other corruption inquiries while he's in no. 10. You may not like what he does with money, but one thing he won't do is steal it for himself.

Are you a paid up member of the Gordon Brown fanclub

Although i hope that Brown is less money-obsessed and in love with the celebrity culture than Blair his actions over the last 10 years suggest he is still going to continue to lick ar*e" George Bush and follow the neo-con foreign and economic agenda

[xoggoth]

Everything so far, the time consuming extra complications of the tax system, the crazy changes to the benefits systems, says he is a compulsive tinkerer and a controller. People like Brown should have their eye(s) poked out and locked up in dark rooms with second hand Lego sets to play with.

PS Just possibly, being serious, we might not have got into Iraq under GB. Without him we might also now have the Euro so nobody is totally bad.

[Euro-commuter]

Wonder how long before GB will decide a free press is not in the nations interest - and nationalize it.

-- andrew_neil_uk

Don't confuse GB and TB, they are far from the same thing. I'm sure that GB still thinks nationalising a few things would be a good idea, but he thinks they can and should still be free that way (see B of E). TB OTOH doesn't want to nationalise (after all, he doesn't know what "socialism" means) but he can't stand any other institutions being free: that strikes him as a recipe for people not doing as (he knows) they should; i.e. for disaster. Nothing worse than people not doing what he wants.

While I'm here, there's another thing to be said for GB: you won't need any cash-for-honours or other corruption inquiries while he's in no. 10. You may not like what he does with money, but one thing he won't do is steal it for himself.