Hello sailor

[BlueSharp]

Any port in a storm will do

[Protagoras]

You know it was the church that punished buggery until quite late in the 17th century?

At some point the 'crime' passed from ecclesiastical to statute law. It was a capital offence until the mid-nineteenth century and not de-criminalised until 1967 in the UK.

[vetran]

Well known that "rum and bum" is how sailors spent their spare time then.

Not that that means they were gay, just no access to ladies' bits while at sea.

Apparently there were more ladies a-ship than I realised.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...women-war.html

You know it was the church that punished buggery until quite late in the 17th century?

[SueEllen]

Well known that "rum and bum" is how sailors spent their spare time then.

Not that that means they were gay, just no access to ladies' bits while at sea.

So doing what some prisoners do today.

[xoggoth]

Well known that "rum and bum" is how sailors spent their spare time then.

Not that that means they were gay, just no access to ladies' bits while at sea.

[vetran]

So the museum is just trying to get money from gullible people?

free publicity but it will probably backfire.

[SueEllen]

So the museum is just trying to get money from gullible people?

[Zigenare]

There's nowt as queer as folk.

[vetran]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cts-queer.html

Row as museum for Henry VIII's Tudor warship Mary Rose 'queers' its collection: A gold ring found in the wreck 'symbolises gay marriage' while a NIT comb 'shows how hair is central to LGBTQ identity', captions say leading to mockery online

• Objects from the warship have been interpreted as representing LGBTQ+ stories

'Queering the collection' has become a popular approached use by museums around the world to interpret LGBTQ+ experiences through the artworks on display.

Among the items it casts under this lens is an Octagonal mirror, which the author says would be a 'luxury item' on the warship.

However, it goes onto say: 'Looking at your own reflection in a mirror can bring up lots of emotions for both straight and LGBTQ+ people.

'For Queer people, we may experience a strong feeling of when we look into a mirror, a feeling of distress caused by our reflection conflicting with our own gender identities.'

The museum in Portsmouth admits the 82 combs, which were the most common personal items found on the ship, would have been used by the men to remove nits, not style their hair.

But it goes onto say: 'For many Queer people today, how we wear our hair is a central pillar of our identity. Today, hairstyles are often heavily gendered, following the gender norm that men have short hair, and women have long hair.

'By 'subverting' and playing with gender norms, Queer people can find hairstyles that they feel comfortable wearing.'

Looking at a gold ring found on the lowest deck of the ship, the blog says that while same-sex marriages have only been legal across the UK since 2020, 'there is a long history of Queer people marrying or viewing themselves as married'.

When referring to paternosters - which is a type of rosary bead - that were found on the ship, the blog states it showed many of the sailors were Christians, before talking about how the English Reformation lead to introduction of the Buggary Act.

The original :

https://maryrose.org/blog/collection...-s-collection/