Reply to: They are now threatening each other

[WTFH]

Then look up Fabricant.

3 times in the same period.

[WTFH]

Perhaps read the explanation of "rebellion" on the page you quoted.

So if your argument is "how often he votes the same way as the majority of his party is different to how his party vote", then please provide evidence of how often he has voted against the party.

[malvolio]

Perhaps read the explanation of "rebellion" on the page you quoted.

Then look up Fabricant.

[malvolio]

Sorry?

You say it's not how many times he votes against the Tory party, it's how many times he votes against the tory party majority on a given subject.
That makes about as much sense as Boris.

Since he became an MP he has voted against the Tory party (who have the majority) 6 times. Here are the six times he has voted against his party. Not exactly routine. The other 373 times he has voted exactly the same way as the party wanted:

	Date	Subject	Anthony Mangnall	Con Vote	Rôle
	10 Sep 2021	Speaker’s Statement	tellaye	no	Rebel Teller
	13 Jul 2021	International Aid: Treasury Update	tellno	aye	Rebel Teller
	1 Dec 2020	Public Health	minority	aye	Rebel
	13 Oct 2020	Public Health	minority	aye	Rebel
	17 Jun 2020	Abortion (Northern Ireland) (No. 2) Regulations 2020	Majority	no	Rebel
	10 Mar 2020	Telecommunications Infrastructure (Leasehold Property) Bill — Clause 1 — Communications Network Operators — High Risk Vendors — Access to Install Services	minority	no	Rebel

Perhaps read the explanation of "rebellion" on the page you quoted.

[WTFH]

It's not how many, it's how many times he goes against the party's majority vote on a given subject. And he is allowed to agree with stuff.

Sorry?

You say it's not how many times he votes against the Tory party, it's how many times he votes against the tory party majority on a given subject.
That makes about as much sense as Boris.

Since he became an MP he has voted against the Tory party (who have the majority) 6 times. Here are the six times he has voted against his party. Not exactly routine. The other 373 times he has voted exactly the same way as the party wanted:

	Date	Subject	Anthony Mangnall	Con Vote	Rôle
	10 Sep 2021	Speaker’s Statement	tellaye	no	Rebel Teller
	13 Jul 2021	International Aid: Treasury Update	tellno	aye	Rebel Teller
	1 Dec 2020	Public Health	minority	aye	Rebel
	13 Oct 2020	Public Health	minority	aye	Rebel
	17 Jun 2020	Abortion (Northern Ireland) (No. 2) Regulations 2020	Majority	no	Rebel
	10 Mar 2020	Telecommunications Infrastructure (Leasehold Property) Bill — Clause 1 — Communications Network Operators — High Risk Vendors — Access to Install Services	minority	no	Rebel

[malvolio]

Who to believe, someone who claims he routinely votes against Tory policies, or his actual voting record?
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25...angnall/totnes

https://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php...isplay=summary

6/379 is not routinely.

It's not how many, it's how many times he goes against the party's majority vote on a given subject. And he is allowed to agree with stuff.

[WTFH]

Plus more than one routinely against-voting Tory MP has said they've never been blackmailed by the whips or anyone else in government.

Who to believe....

Who to believe, someone who claims he routinely votes against Tory policies, or his actual voting record?
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25...angnall/totnes

https://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php...isplay=summary

6/379 is not routinely.

[malvolio]

Explains why he needed the protection of the other lot.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-boris-johnson
The former Conservative MP Christian Wakeford has alleged that party whips told him he would lose funding for a new high school in his constituency if he did not vote with the government.

The claim came as the senior Conservative William Wragg urged MPs to report government ministers, whips and advisers to the Speaker – and even the police – for what he claimed was attempted blackmail of some colleagues suspected of possibly opposing Boris Johnson.

The Whips don't have that kind of power, but that aside, Labour don't have any power at all. Do you think he will still get that funding now - 'cos I don't.

Plus more than one routinely against-voting Tory MP has said they've never been blackmailed by the whips or anyone else in government.

Who to believe....

[SueEllen]

Explains why he needed the protection of the other lot.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-boris-johnson
The former Conservative MP Christian Wakeford has alleged that party whips told him he would lose funding for a new high school in his constituency if he did not vote with the government.

The claim came as the senior Conservative William Wragg urged MPs to report government ministers, whips and advisers to the Speaker – and even the police – for what he claimed was attempted blackmail of some colleagues suspected of possibly opposing Boris Johnson.

[AtW]

Which means it's definitely been happening, but what he has seen, nobody has told him it is evidence or blackmailing.

Correctly applied blackmail should result in evidence of previous black being produced

[AtW]

Tory MPs are now being threatened and blackmailed by the whips.

And did these very nice people with the "Whip" as their job title did before?

[WTFH]

According to the Boris Broadcasting Corporation, Boris has seen no evidence of blackmailing:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60068612

Which means it's definitely been happening, but what he has seen, nobody has told him it is evidence or blackmailing.

[SueEllen]

It is apparently Romy, Bojo's baby daughter who had Covid last week.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/20/boris...adly-15951932/

[SueEllen]

That's the same Anthony Mangnal who campaigned for a change in the law to make it more difficult for MPs to change parties (such as Christian Wakeford did).

Do we think that makes him an unbiased source?

The twatter comments under his tweet are amusing. If he defects he will just be replaced by a donkey with a blue rosette as his seat is safe.

(Just noticed more spelling mistakes.)

[WTFH]

Anthony Mangnal, MP for Totnes and Devon

https://twitter.com/AnthonyMangnal1/...CzwY661ZgpAAAA

I have gone against against Government on quite a lot of matters.

I have NEVER been threatened or blackmailed by a Minister, Whip or SPAD.

It wouldn't work woth me and not sure it would with any other colleague.

That's the same Anthony Mangnal who campaigned for a change in the law to make it more difficult for MPs to change parties (such as Christian Wakeford did).

Do we think that makes him an unbiased source?