Reply to: Blatant covid passport gold-plating

[OwlHoot]

EU travellers will be able to go on holiday to their favourite destination whereas Brits will sit at home and sulk about the EU on the internet,

Sulking at home is a lot cheaper than travelling!

OwlHoot in "Travel may broaden the mind, but it narrows the wallet" mode

[OwlHoot]

Whorty belongs to a GP practice that has appointments available. ..

Must be Devon. Here you only have to hobble into outpatients or your GP with an ingrowing toenail and you'll be instantly surrounded by so many fussing doctors and nurses you can barely breathe!

[GigiBronz]

They already have good access to most of your information, it might not be acessible for most of the interested parties but there are agencies out there selling it. And if large companies are interested in aggregating a good part of it, I am sure there would be no issues.

not quite sure why people are bothered about ID’s, it might not be the gov collecting the data on them.

I belive there should be a more thorough conversation on GDPR and applicability post brexit and what is next as well in that domain.

gov issues currencies are probably next as well to be able to trace cash flows but it should not interfere with the principles of the market. Or we shall see…

what was the conversation about? Apps and data? Gov knows everything about you anyway, it’s just the other parties…

[AtW]

ID is a no brainer.

Much more controversial idea is to have all money going via an HMRC account - no cash at all.

Should be good for tax evasion detection of those who spend more than they officially earn.

Expect this to happen by 2040 at the latest.

[LondonManc]

IDs required to check age to buy booze, smokes, get into pubs/clubs, rent a car, verify identity to sign up for banking - people don’t seem to have a problem with that

Better IDs that can't be faked for booze, etc are needed. It's almost like a national card, tied in with your NI number to give over 16s access to the NHS, over 18s the right to vote, etc. could all be fixed on one system. Obviously that's too simple and will infringe some woke lemon's human rights.

[BlasterBates]

They could go further and record everything you purchase online and in person.

They when you apply for a job or apply for insurance they could look at how much alcohol you are consuming for example.

Maybe a recruiter could check if an applicant has had an abortion, or ever spoken to there doctor about depression, or look at how many times you have been to the doctor to work out if you may be off sick too much.

Make the information public, then your neighbours could send you a message saying sorry when your partner has a miscarriage.

I could provide other examples, which is why we should try to retain our privacy.

It will contain whatever information you want it to contain. It's you who adds the information. If you want to delete it you can delete it, It's simply being offered as an alternative to facebook.

[AtW]

Not yet. You can still buy a bottle of wine with cash and not provide ID if you look old like me.

CCTV, everywhere.

Faces tied to names via helpful Facebook and other social networks.

Phone locational data.

etc

"The only privacy that's left is the inside of your head. Maybe that's enough."

[mallisarealperson]

Already done, long time ago.

Not yet. You can still buy a bottle of wine with cash and not provide ID if you look old like me.

My point is why should something to prove a vaccine status end up being used to apply for a loan or register at a university.

Saying that a lot of people are happy to have amazon or google recording everything they say in their homes.

[AtW]

They could go further and record everything you purchase online and in person..

Already done, long time ago.

[ladymuck]

They could go further and record everything you purchase online and in person.

They when you apply for a job or apply for insurance they could look at how much alcohol you are consuming for example.

Maybe a recruiter could check if an applicant has had an abortion, or ever spoken to there doctor about depression, or look at how many times you have been to the doctor to work out if you may be off sick too much.

Make the information public, then your neighbours could send you a message saying sorry when your partner has a miscarriage.

I could provide other examples, which is why we should try to retain our privacy.

Any ID system needs to have very clear limits and boundaries.

The amount of information to share with any entity requiring you to prove your identity should be proportionate.

So, to pick up a parcel from the Post Office, I need to prove my name and address matches that on the parcel. To pick one up from John Lewis click and collect, I need to show my order number and my name. The confirmation email should be sufficient for that, maybe with one other supporting piece with my name on.

To buy age restricted items, I need to prove my age. No other information is necessary to facilitate that transaction.

Sadly, we have ended up in a situation, because we don't have an ID card system, where you have to have a passport or driving license in order to prove your identity. The cost of those is quite prohibitive to many people and it's a waste of time for someone who doesn't drive or doesn't leave the country. I remember taking my birth certificate out in my yoof in order to get my best mate into pubs due to a lack of other "official" ID.

[mallisarealperson]

Officials last month signed off on a 'digital Covid certificate' which can act as a vaccine passport. But this new ID wallet goes a step further, allowing users to store other files like driver's licenses, professional qualifications and financial details.

They could go further and record everything you purchase online and in person.

They when you apply for a job or apply for insurance they could look at how much alcohol you are consuming for example.

Maybe a recruiter could check if an applicant has had an abortion, or ever spoken to there doctor about depression, or look at how many times you have been to the doctor to work out if you may be off sick too much.

Make the information public, then your neighbours could send you a message saying sorry when your partner has a miscarriage.

I could provide other examples, which is why we should try to retain our privacy.

[BlasterBates]

IDs required to check age to buy booze, smokes, get into pubs/clubs, rent a car, verify identity to sign up for banking - people don’t seem to have a problem with that

It's an EU Id. It doesn't matter whether it's voluntary and what benefits it gives you, it will be seen in Britain as an instrument of oppression.

[AtW]

IDs required to check age to buy booze, smokes, get into pubs/clubs, rent a car, verify identity to sign up for banking - people don’t seem to have a problem with that

[ladymuck]

Most other European countries, regardless of their EU status, have ID cards anyway or each member of the population has an ID number so they can access their country's services. So for them this is no biggie.

They do. The UK has never gone down that path. Not enitrely sure why but there seems to be much suspicion around having them.

I wondered if the new driving license was going to be start of a move towards identity cards when they first came out, maybe that will still happen, maybe billions will be spent on a different idea.

[BlasterBates]

The EU digital wallet is voluntary for those who want to travel. Brits can sit at home and sulk in freedom.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...premium-europe

holiday bookings from Germany to France to Spain are gathering pace, in line with a vaccination drive covering a growing part of the population and depressing infections.