Reply to: Blue passport

[NotAllThere]

You're funny. Not the holocaust.

[vetran]

I think it's stretching a point to say that we fought against France. There was no declaration of war, AFAIK. But as you like it.

You don't need a declaration of war to fight.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peop...a1057565.shtml

Fact File : Syrian Campaign


8 June to 12 July 1941

Theatre: North Africa and Middle East
Area: Syria
Players: Allies: Two brigades of the Free French Infantry Division; British 6th Infantry Division based in northern Palestine; 7th Australian Infantry Division based in Haifa; 5th Indian Infantry Brigade, 10th Indian Infantry Division and Habforce, based in Iraq. Vichy France: Armée du Levant under General Henri Dentz; Lebanon Command and South Syria Command, including 6th Regiment, French Foreign Legion
Outcome: Operation Exporter, the Allied invasion of Syria, was a costly and bitter campaign but it eliminated a potential threat to the Allied rear.

[vetran]

Did he get two bags of sovrinty to buy a unicorn as well ?

No but your French relatives probably bought some skin lamps.

[vetran]

You guys are so funny.

Hey if you believe the French Government and people strongly supporting the Final Solution is funny you guys are just weird.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...zis-180967160/

Did the regime collaborate with Nazis out of self-preservation, or did it have its own agenda?

The misconception that the Vichy Regime was the lesser of two evils endured only for the first few decades after the war. Since then, as more archival material has come to light, historians have gradually come to see the collaborators as willing participants in the Holocaust. Before the Nazis ever demanded the Vichy government participate in anti-Semitic policies, the French had enacted policies that removed Jews from civil service and began seizing Jewish property. “The Vichy French government participated willingly in the deportations and did most of the arresting,” Paxton says. “The arrests of foreign Jews often involved separating families from their children, sometimes in broad daylight, and it had a very powerful effect on public opinion and began to turn opinion against Pétain.”

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...lic-180957661/

While historians don’t expect any major revelations from the newly accessible documents, the archives could shed new details on events such as the arrest of French Resistance leader Jean Moulin, historian Gilles Morin told French TF1 television news. The Vichy regime remains a charged subject in France; the government refused to acknowledge any role in the Holocaust by the Vichy regime for decades. France only officially recognized the state’s complicity in the deportations in 1995, and in 2014 the state-run rail network was forced to pay compensation to the families of Jews who were deported on its trains, RFI reports.

[TestMangler]

You guys are so funny.

Did he get two bags of sovrinty to buy a unicorn as well ?

[NotAllThere]

You guys are so funny.

[vetran]

Well done. Revisionism worth of the woke.

No we used facts that would confuse the woke.

We did fight Vichy France I thought everyone knew such things?

[OwlHoot]

Petain, Laval & Vichy supplied conscripts and resources to Germanys war effort. They also rounded up and loaded Jews etc. onto railway cars. Repaired German ships and even defended Berlin.

The maquis were formidable but they were the resistance not the official government. Many of the French population were not enthusiastic supporters of the Germans, but quite a few were and the Vichy government were big fans which is why many of the French hated it so much.

It was sadly similar in a lot of occupied countries. You may have read SSGB and similar, I doubt just being British would have made all of us immune to being collaborators.

Try here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collab..._Powers#France

and to be fair, we did sink the French fleet, when their obstinately stupid admiral rejected multiple alternatives to keep it out of German hands.

edit: Oh, I see Mordac beat me to it!

[NotAllThere]

Well done. Revisionism worth of the woke.

[DonaldJTrump]

I think it's stretching a point to say that we fought against France. There was no declaration of war, AFAIK. But as you like it.

33rd Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS Charlemagne (1st French)
It had 7,340 men at the time of its deployment to the Eastern Front in February 1945. It fought against Soviet forces in Pomerania where it was almost annihilated during the East Pomeranian Offensive within a month. Around 300 members of the unit participated in the Battle in Berlin in April–May 1945 and were among the last Axis forces to surrender.

23 September 1940, the Vichy air force saw action when the British tried to take Dakar, the capital of French West Africa (now Senegal).the Vichy French managed to repulse the British torpedo-bomber attacks launched from the carrier HMS Ark Royal during several days of fighting with only light casualties on their side.

On 24 September, the Vichy air force bombed British facilities at Gibraltar from French bases in North Africa. Gibraltar suffered heavy damage.

[Mordac]

Did it say made in the EU?

It may have been made in the EU (thanks to EU procurement laws applicable at the time) but it doesn't say EU on the front. Or anywhere inside that matters. (I don't care what colour it is, pink and yellow spots would have been fine by me).

[Mordac]

I think it's stretching a point to say that we fought against France. There was no declaration of war, AFAIK. But as you like it.

We did sink most of their navy* when it started kicking off though. They weren't too happy about that, more details below.
And we held De Gaulle hostage** for most of WWII.

(* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack...-el-K%C3%A9bir)
(**Actually we didn't, but you'd think so from the ways he describes his time in London).

[NotAllThere]

I think it's stretching a point to say that we fought against France. There was no declaration of war, AFAIK. But as you like it.

[vetran]

ok.

Petain, Laval & Vichy supplied conscripts and resources to Germanys war effort. They also rounded up and loaded Jews etc. onto railway cars. Repaired German ships and even defended Berlin.

The maquis were formidable but they were the resistance not the official government. Many of the French population were not enthusiastic supporters of the Germans, but quite a few were and the Vichy government were big fans which is why many of the French hated it so much.

It was sadly similar in a lot of occupied countries. You may have read SSGB and similar, I doubt just being British would have made all of us immune to being collaborators.

Try here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collab..._Powers#France

[NotAllThere]

in WW2 while we were fighting Germany & France

ok.