Reply to: Vaccine List

[mattster]

Yes, my mum was a school nurse in the past and gave hundreds of vaccines. Most of the symptoms you get when you have an infection (viral or microbe) are actually caused by the immune response. Inflammation itself is caused by immune response. The raising of temperature makes you feel crap, but it is to slow down replication of the infective invaders as they are mostly 'tuned' to normal body temperature. Sometimes though it goes out of control as in the severe covid cases, the immune response causes irreparable inflammation in the lungs and that is what does for you.

Even with the SA variant the vaccine gives your immune system a head start so it can defeat the virus without resorting to a Cytokine storm, hence preventing severe illness.

Yes, I understand all that, my point being that vaccines work by promoting an immune response to something that looks a lot like the virus (to the immune system), triggering production of antibodies. Hence it is not unexpected - and in fact it is a good sign - if you feel a bit crap for a few days after the shot, since this can be an indicator that your immune system has been triggered, which is exactly what you want to happen after getting a vaccination.

[Gibbon]

Is it not the case that some "flu like" symptoms after the jab are simply indicative of a strong immune response? i.e. actually a good sign that something is happening to your immune system post-jab, and entirely to be expected. I wouldn't have thought the medics would be that interested in side-effects like these, moreso in things like an unexpected allergic reaction.

Yes, my mum was a school nurse in the past and gave hundreds of vaccines. Most of the symptoms you get when you have an infection (viral or microbe) are actually caused by the immune response. Inflammation itself is caused by immune response. The raising of temperature makes you feel crap, but it is to slow down replication of the infective invaders as they are mostly 'tuned' to normal body temperature. Sometimes though it goes out of control as in the severe covid cases, the immune response causes irreparable inflammation in the lungs and that is what does for you.

Even with the SA variant the vaccine gives your immune system a head start so it can defeat the virus without resorting to a Cytokine storm, hence preventing severe illness.

[d000hg]

Is it not the case that some "flu like" symptoms after the jab are simply indicative of a strong immune response? i.e. actually a good sign that something is happening to your immune system post-jab, and entirely to be expected. I wouldn't have thought the medics would be that interested in side-effects like these, moreso in things like an unexpected allergic reaction.

They are after what data they can get. It is useful to know how common these are.

[mattster]

I had the Pfizer. Side effects were clearly evident and lasted 5 days.

Headaches - felt like a too tight crash helmet (3 occasions)
Lightheadedness / Dizziness (1 occasion, after 2 days)
Visual migraine (4 occasions in 5 days - I haven't had 4 of them in the last 2 years).

Sore arm wasn't a side effect, but expected.

I'd have it again (Pfizer), in the blink of an eye.

Is it not the case that some "flu like" symptoms after the jab are simply indicative of a strong immune response? i.e. actually a good sign that something is happening to your immune system post-jab, and entirely to be expected. I wouldn't have thought the medics would be that interested in side-effects like these, moreso in things like an unexpected allergic reaction.

[SueEllen]

I did have a look at the that, but when I asked my GP practice the GP didn't offer any counsel.

Fill a yellow card in yourself. You have sufficient education if you can write on here.

While GPs and other healthcare staff are suppose to do it they don't have the time.

[Scruff]

Did you report the side effects? There's the yellow card system that anyone can use to report medicine side effects. It's well worth doing as it all helps towards building up information about how people react.

Yellow Card Scheme - MHRA

I did have a look at the that, but when I asked my GP practice the GP didn't offer any counsel.

[d000hg]

it seems that the places where they can store the vaccine at -70 degrees like hospitals they are giving pfizer vaccine
and everyone else is getting oxford astrazeneca.

No, GPs are doing it too. One of our local ones is dishing it out. A friend got given her pfizer jab by a dentist.

[ladymuck]

I had the Pfizer. Side effects were clearly evident and lasted 5 days.

Headaches - felt like a too tight crash helmet (3 occasions)
Lightheadedness / Dizziness (1 occasion, after 2 days)
Visual migraine (4 occasions in 5 days - I haven't had 4 of them in the last 2 years).

Sore arm wasn't a side effect, but expected.

I'd have it again (Pfizer), in the blink of an eye.

Did you report the side effects? There's the yellow card system that anyone can use to report medicine side effects. It's well worth doing as it all helps towards building up information about how people react.

Yellow Card Scheme - MHRA

[Scruff]

Is the government paying you to experiment on you. Oh wait yes.

Do me a favour, please? Read the Science - it has been rigorously tested. If you don't believe in it, spend a day in your local Primary Care hospital.

If you think that it is some government conspiracy, then I have no words. Who is benefiting from the pandemic?

[Andy2]

it seems that the places where they can store the vaccine at -70 degrees like hospitals they are giving pfizer vaccine
and everyone else is getting oxford astrazeneca.

[ronkeen]

I had the Pfizer. Side effects were clearly evident and lasted 5 days.

Headaches - felt like a too tight crash helmet (3 occasions)
Lightheadedness / Dizziness (1 occasion, after 2 days)
Visual migraine (4 occasions in 5 days - I haven't had 4 of them in the last 2 years).

Sore arm wasn't a side effect, but expected.

I'd have it again (Pfizer), in the blink of an eye.

Is the government paying you to experiment on you. Oh wait yes.

[silent bob]

I had the AstraZeneca one on Friday, so just hope I don't come into contact with the South Africa version then!
Felt a bit shivery and lousy for a day or so. Nothing a few paracetamol couldn't take care of.

[Scruff]

I had the Pfizer. Side effects were clearly evident and lasted 5 days.

Headaches - felt like a too tight crash helmet (3 occasions)
Lightheadedness / Dizziness (1 occasion, after 2 days)
Visual migraine (4 occasions in 5 days - I haven't had 4 of them in the last 2 years).

Sore arm wasn't a side effect, but expected.

I'd have it again (Pfizer), in the blink of an eye.

[darmstadt]

Lots of stories about the South African variant in the UK press, quite surprised they haven't picked up this little story about the British variant. Even though all the people had their second jab on the 25th January, 14 residents of an old peoples home still got the British variant albeit asymptomatic so they may have caught it between the 1st and 2nd jabs:

Britische Corona-Variante: 14 Geimpfte positiv getestet - ZDFheute

[d000hg]

Cheers. I found the "yes get it anyway" info but not ideas on if it would worsen side-effects. Nothing to suggest you shouldn't get yourself jabbed but interesting.