Reply to: So it begins

[Old Greg]

Hey NAT, you need to have a word with all these journo and human right types about so called forced sterilisation it Uighur women. It turns out they have the choice of internment / detention. So is is forced sterilisation or. not forced?

China cuts Uighur births with IUDs, abortion, sterilization

[minestrone]

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and alluded to the possibility of organotherapy:

Ahh, William Reich.

Yes, that explains it.

[AtW]

it's horrible, but Turing was not forcibly sterilised.

And what happened to Turing, in your own words?

[minestrone]

Were they voluntary?

We still forcibly sterilise in this country.

it's horrible, but Turing was not forcibly sterilised.

[Old Greg]

Were they voluntary?

Not worth bothering with Minny, but I expect better from NAT. Hopefully he'll reflect.

[AtW]

Honestly? A link about Swedish sterilisations?

Were they voluntary?

[minestrone]

Compulsory sterilisation in Sweden - Wikipedia

That was (according to ministrone) voluntary and invented history (ie never happened) anyway

This forum is blessed to have somebody like ministrone - who would otherwise open our eyes on what is REALLY happening?

Honestly?

A link about Swedish sterilisations?

[AtW]

We are just inventing history now.

Compulsory sterilisation in Sweden - Wikipedia

That was (according to ministrone) voluntary and invented history (ie never happened) anyway

This forum is blessed to have somebody like ministrone - who would otherwise open our eyes on what is REALLY happening?

[minestrone]

So if the Chinese state rounded up a group of Uighur women and told them they had to choose between being sterilised or being sent to prison, and some chose sterilisation, would you consider that forced sterilisation?

We are just inventing history now.

Noel Coward was as obviously gay as a Mexican table cloth and was able to freely work in military intelligence during the war. He wasn't forced sterilisation.

[Old Greg]

Nope.
I'm not sure why you're bringing up forcedTuring had a choice between taking a drug that was supposed to control his urges, as it was seen at the time, or prison. Not quite conversion or death.

So if the Chinese state rounded up a group of Uighur women and told them they had to choose between being sterilised or being sent to prison, and some chose sterilisation, would you consider that forced sterilisation?

[NotAllThere]

You have issues with homosexuality..

Nope.

People had a choice between conversion and death. You are making a very odd argument. Not sure why.

I'm not sure why you're bringing up forcedTuring had a choice between taking a drug that was supposed to control his urges, as it was seen at the time, or prison. Not quite conversion or death.

From here.

Turing’s own counsel hoped to steer the court away from a prison sentence, and alluded to the possibility of organotherapy: “There is treatment which could be given him. I ask you to think that the public interest would not be well served if this man is taken away from the very important work he is doing.” The judge followed the barrister’s lead, sentencing Turing to 12 months’ probation and ordering him to “submit for treatment by a duly qualified medical practitioner at Manchester Royal Infirmary.”

What would have happened to Turning had he ended up in prison instead?

According to the same source

The alternative of prison would probably have cost him his job, and with it his access to a computer. Already his arrest had cost him something else that mattered to him: as he told a friend, he would never be able to work for GCHQ again. One of his Bletchley Park colleagues, Joan Clarke, who stayed on as a peacetime codebreaker, confirmed that Turing visited GCHQ’s Eastcote site after the war as a consultant. But now Turing, the perfect patriot, had unwittingly become a security risk.

Whichever way you look at it, it was hardly a decent way to treat a war hero.

[darmstadt]

"Life Is a Minestrone" is a 1975 song by 10cc and is a deadly accurate barrage of disconnected theories, thoughts and ghastly geographical puns, all tied together by that bizarre nomenclatural observation and reduces the human condition to the contents of a well-stacked pantry...

I'm dancing on the White House lawn
Sipping tea by the Taj Mahal at dawn
Hanging round the gardens of Babylon
Minnie Mouse has got it all sewn up
She gets more fan mail than the Pope
She takes the mickey out of all my phobias
Like signing cheques to ward off double pneumonia

Life is a minestrone
Served up with parmesan cheese
Death is a cold Lasagne
Suspended in deep freeze

I'm leaning on the Tower of Pisa
Had an eyeful of the tower in France
I'm hanging round the gardens of Madison
And the seat of learning
And the flush of success
Relieves a constipated mind
I'm like a gourmet in a skid row diner
A fitting menu for a dilettante

Life is a minestrone
Served up with parmesan cheese
Death is a cold Lasagne
Suspended in deep freeze

Love is a fire of flaming brandy
Upon a crepe suzette
Let's get this romance cooking, honey
But let us not forget

Life is a minestrone
Served up with parmesan cheese
Death is a cold Lasagne
Suspended in deep freeze

[minestrone]

Blank slate doesn't happen. You live in Ireland, it must be obvious,

[minestrone]

[minestrone]

Greg is a gentile. He doesn't have the genetic IQ from being Semite, and he's not Scottish. The 2 clearly identifiable intelligent ethnicities in western Europe.