Reply to: Finally a certain mod to be prosecuted for hate crimes :)

[vetran]

you'll find that's a moped, not a bike.
woos

No pedals so not a moped, pity the government doesn't classify these things properly.

[SueEllen]

Bizarre moment a biker pushes his moped into a car before leaping onto the windscreen 'in a cash for crash attempt' - NZ Herald

Now that's why we need dashcams

I loved watching the Russian clips on YouTube where people would just chuck themselves onto cars for money.

They also have ones from cyclists of tulip drivers, bikers and cyclists in the UK.

[Whorty]

Bizarre moment a biker pushes his moped into a car before leaping onto the windscreen 'in a cash for crash attempt' - NZ Herald

Now that's why we need dashcams

Saw this before - not sure if it was news or one of those Dom Littlewood shows ... it would be 'funny'* if it wasn't so serious!

* as in they got caught out, not the actual act itself being funny

[ladymuck]

Bizarre moment a biker pushes his moped into a car before leaping onto the windscreen 'in a cash for crash attempt' - NZ Herald

Now that's why we need dashcams

[Whorty]

you'll find that's a moped, not a bike.
woos

I see Vetty has started panic buying again!!

[BR14]

(I used to ride a 50cc bike years ago).
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you'll find that's a moped, not a bike.
woos

[vetran]

Hmmm, I doubt it. As a cyclist, if they changed the laws to this, I'm hardly likely to be looking to be smashed into by a car just so that I can feel entitled.

Also, my bike is worth more than most cars on the road so I'm very careful with it - this includes being vigilant when passing parked cars, not just for idiots walking between them to cross, but also for the notorious car door opener.

Well you may be special, it's the others - my experience:

OK I see a parked car opening their door on a car about once a quarter as a driver and slightly more as a cyclist.
I see a motorcycle overtaking aggressively in a way they endanger themselves 2-3 times a month. (I used to ride a 50cc bike years ago).
I see a cyclist shoot the lights or similar once a month.
I see a car overtaking a cycle with insufficient space most weeks.
I see a car overtaking a cycle then turning left in front of them most weeks.
I see a bicycle at night without lights pretty much every trip at night.
I see BMWs, Audis, Lorries and vans tailgating on the motorway most trips.
I see about a dozen pedestrians a trip just walking into the road and expecting the cars to stop.

Now I'm a fairly cautious driver many of these are other people interacting.

[SueEllen]

Conversely that encourages an entitlement attitude from the lower orders.

The times I have had to slam the brakes on because some idiot walks out from behind a car/van, people strolling across dual carraigeways etc.

I feel like I am in the sixth sense, I am constantly looking for dead people when driving because I see so many that want to be.

God you just reminded me of that craze a few years BC when teenagers would slowly very slowly very very slowly walk across the road with their group of mates in front of you in a car.

It only stopped when a couple of them on separate occasions did it in front of a large red bus, got hit and died as the bus couldn't come to a stop in time. This is why teens need to pay attention in science lessons.

[Whorty]

Conversely that encourages an entitlement attitude from the lower orders.

The times I have had to slam the brakes on because some idiot walks out from behind a car/van, people strolling across dual carraigeways etc.

Hmmm, I doubt it. As a cyclist, if they changed the laws to this, I'm hardly likely to be looking to be smashed into by a car just so that I can feel entitled.

Also, my bike is worth more than most cars on the road so I'm very careful with it - this includes being vigilant when passing parked cars, not just for idiots walking between them to cross, but also for the notorious car door opener.

[Old Greg]

Conversely that encourages an entitlement attitude from the lower orders.

The times I have had to slam the brakes on because some idiot walks out from behind a car/van, people strolling across dual carraigeways etc.

I feel like I am in the sixth sense, I am constantly looking for dead people when driving because I see so many that want to be.

[Old Greg]

Not sure somebody that large can be considered a minority ..... he's most certainly a major group all on his own So I hear

I guess it depend if you're counting or weighing.

[vetran]

Agreed. But if everyone knew that the larger vehicle is treated as in the wrong automatically, until they can prove otherwise, we will start to protect those who are most vulnerable. This includes protecting pedestrians from some idiots on bikes as much as protecting everyone from lorry drivers.

Conversely that encourages an entitlement attitude from the lower orders.

The times I have had to slam the brakes on because some idiot walks out from behind a car/van, people strolling across dual carraigeways etc.

I feel like I am in the sixth sense, I am constantly looking for dead people when driving because I see so many that want to be.

[Whorty]

That's bigotry against pedestrians like MF. You can't have it both ways.

Not sure somebody that large can be considered a minority ..... he's most certainly a major group all on his own So I hear

[Old Greg]

Agreed. But if everyone knew that the larger vehicle is treated as in the wrong automatically, until they can prove otherwise, will start to protect those who are most vulnerable. This includes protecting pedestrians from some idiots on bikes as much as protecting everyone from lorry drivers.

That's bigotry against pedestrians like MF. You can't have it both ways.

[Whorty]

Why not investigate who is guilty?

Police dashcam database helped prosecute 1,223 drivers in first year | This is Money

Motorbike riders are nicknamed organ donors for a reason!

Can dash cam evidence be used against you in court? | Biker & Bike

Now that is something those on furlough can do.

Agreed. But if everyone knew that the larger vehicle is treated as in the wrong automatically, until they can prove otherwise, we will start to protect those who are most vulnerable. This includes protecting pedestrians from some idiots on bikes as much as protecting everyone from lorry drivers.