Reply to: Lasted 1 day in my permie role :banana:

[DoctorStrangelove]

Just too many grumpy old people around here.

[GigiBronz]

FWIW I think you did the right thing. There's only so much you can find out about any role (contract or permie) before you start. Once you're on site and seeing the real lay of the land, you re-evaluate. That's what a probationary period is there for, for perms, and zero notice clauses for tax dodgers.

Thanks, true, I am confident I am right as well. Just too many grumpy old people around here.

[ladymuck]

FWIW I think you did the right thing. There's only so much you can find out about any role (contract or permie) before you start. Once you're on site and seeing the real lay of the land, you re-evaluate. That's what a probationary period is there for, for perms, and zero notice clauses for tax dodgers.

[GhostofTarbera]

Well, you do, you get to a position where you are fairly happy with the role. You get more information, re-evaluate and see if you are still happy.
If you are not happy you do something about it.

There is always a level of compromise involved, especially when market is not that great, they know it, you know it. An equilibrium is reached in the negotiation when both parties are slightly uncomfortable. You might get a sense of the environment during the interview but a lot of times you find the uncomfortable truth when you start. Sometimes there is effort added during the interview to deviate the conversation from the sensitive parts. You could compromise and live with it or just take to the woods.

If we live, indeed, in the same world, do you make only binary decisions?

Yes and No


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[GigiBronz]

Apologies if I am stating the obvious here...

but you can and should negotiate (salary, title, responsibilities, work location, benefits etc) before taking a perm role

Well, you do, you get to a position where you are fairly happy with the role. You get more information, re-evaluate and see if you are still happy.
If you are not happy you do something about it.

There is always a level of compromise involved, especially when market is not that great, they know it, you know it. An equilibrium is reached in the negotiation when both parties are slightly uncomfortable. You might get a sense of the environment during the interview but a lot of times you find the uncomfortable truth when you start. Sometimes there is effort added during the interview to deviate the conversation from the sensitive parts. You could compromise and live with it or just take to the woods.

If we live, indeed, in the same world, do you make only binary decisions?

[GreenT]

Apologies if I am stating the obvious here...

but you can and should negotiate (salary, title, responsibilities, work location, benefits etc) before taking a perm role

[GigiBronz]

Inneresting.

I worked for a week for a nutcase who had a new design for an engine "that Porsche were innerested in".

He went to gaol for fraud eventually, much to my delight & celebration.

Apparently he never paid a penny in business rates or rent to the council.

Quite a few of them at wild.More surprised by the organisations throwing money at them... Maybe we are the ones doing something wrong. Who knows...?

[DoctorStrangelove]

It involves an engine with an alternative source of fuel. Not rail.

Inneresting.

I worked for a week for a nutcase who had a new design for an engine "that Porsche were innerested in".

He went to gaol for fraud eventually, much to my delight & celebration.

Apparently he never paid a penny in business rates or rent to the council.

[BigDataPro]

I lasted one day in a contract role once.

Turned up, spent a day being trotted about hearing what the role was actually about and called the agency on my way home at the end of the day to quit.

Being nice, I waived my fee for that day as a gesture of good will.

I did the same on a inside contract at Southend-on-Sea with a public client. Couldn't bear even standing inside that building.

[BigDataPro]

My record is two weeks. 1 day is impressive.

Huh, Once I accepted the role, everything signed, start date fixed and I didn't turn-up to work on the first day.

[Dark Black]

Indicators for BMWs.

Destined to fail - no market for them

[WTFH]

Most efficient way known to man for converting money into manure.

You've not taken financial advice from Scootie.

[GigiBronz]

Was the fuel hay and did the engine produce 746-2983W depending on how the harness/tack is configured?

No. But is it wrong if the though of working with animals in the field get me more excited? (the right type of excitement...)
It involves working with technicians though... not sure how many of you have had the pleasure but you often need to have maintenance work done to the engine/test cell.
You need to get parts replaced or fault finding work. Most of them are so non-cooperative that you eventually learn to do the operations yourself.
And if anything goes wrong, be prepared to be blamed for not providing clearer instructions. This was the last straw, the realisation that due to limited resources I would have had to interact with those people more.
If the ratio of technical / administrative work is bad you eventually get so frustrated that you give up. That was my deepest fear.

I should get a freaking journal I believe...

[Zigenare]

Was the fuel hay and did the engine produce 746-2983W depending on how the harness/tack is configured?

Most efficient way known to man for converting money into manure.

[WTFH]

It involves an engine with an alternative source of fuel. Not rail.

Was the fuel hay and did the engine produce 746-2983W depending on how the harness/tack is configured?