Reply to: Ipse have a new supreme leader

[ArgieBee]

No, it did have negative value. MPs simply got bored of IR35 and stopped listening. IPSE has a far better level of access to Westminster (OK, whether or not that's doing any good is a whole other question - but they are at least at the table).

That was the unbelievably crazy, mind-blowingly twisted logic that the strategy was based on. Apparently "stakeholders" (mainly civil servants rather MPs IIRC) were tired of the PCG complaining about IR35, so it needed a rebrand that lobbied on other things and was a lot less "shouty" about IR35. This doesn't appear to have turned out well.

Despite the vast majority of freelancers never having heard of the PCG (and awareness among IT/engineering contractors was quite low too), Levvy's work managed at the same time to convince people that non-members had negative views of the PCG (as opposed the the membership who were quite happy).

I think I suggested there could be multiple brands with different messages but that was never going to be acceptable.

[courtg9000]

Mandy got elected by her friends on the CC (I marked her last) and promptly stabbed them in the back with Caroline [emoji4]

Annette got about £200K from ipse for doing nothing, but to be fair she did more than Mandy and Caroline


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not the only one who marked her last,
she dosent exactlyl have what i would call an impressive CV either

[malvolio]

Playing devil's advocate, the boards that worked with them showed utter incompetence and lack of judgment over several years, so that is hardly a glowing reference?

Did any good from this slow motion train crash?

As far as I can see:

a) they threw away a brand because they thought it had negative value

No, it did have negative value. MPs simply got bored of IR35 and stopped listening. IPSE has a far better level of access to Westminster (OK, whether or not that's doing any good is a whole other question - but they are at least at the table).

b) wasted a large amount of money

Debatable. Spent a lot, perhaps.

c) failed to deliver on the unicorn hunt to create a organization for the 4.x million self employed (or 1.6 million freelancers)

Actually no, that organisation is there and is making progress. Far too slow and their PR is rubbish, but it has not yet failed. They have had some successes - sadly not in areas that affect us.

d) failed to stop the IR35 changes in the public and now private sector that haven't been great for contractors

They tried their best, as did many others. HMG - or perhaps HMT is more accurate - simply aren't listening to rational argument and will stick to their outdated world view come what may.

e) managed to alienate its most dedicated supporters

Again, debatable. The CC that got binned was a shadow of the one we were on

f) and potentially led to the terminal end of organization in a few years

Maybe. Is there a place for such an organisation post 2021? That remains to be seen.

Anything I missed?

Only that there are two sides to this story...

[mudskipper]

Exactly. A benefit of membership for members.
All the pointless crusading and efforts to diversify were a diversion from being 100% focused on delivering benefits to the membership.
Maybe the new leadership will recognise that a lot of waste needs to be removed, and now resources must entirely be concentrated on what members will benefit from and not the vainglorious foolishness of the past.

Or maybe I'm just having Twitter withdrawal symptoms and trolling

I don't disagree - IMO the focus of IPSE should be on things that benefit the members directly. The mudskipper rule of thumb would be 80/20 - 80% of funds get spent on stuff that benefits the majority of members, 20% on diversification and other stuff - if and when that yields results and the artisan cheese makers make up a significant proportion of members, then they're part of the 80 pot.

But yep, perkbox is good (And the rebrand predates the iNeds)

[ArgieBee]

Perkbox is pretty handy

Exactly. A benefit of membership for members.
All the pointless crusading and efforts to diversify were a diversion from being 100% focused on delivering benefits to the membership.
Maybe the new leadership will recognise that a lot of waste needs to be removed, and now resources must entirely be concentrated on what members will benefit from and not the vainglorious foolishness of the past.

Or maybe I'm just having Twitter withdrawal symptoms and trolling

[ladymuck]

Perkbox is pretty handy

[TestMangler]

Playing devil's advocate, the boards that worked with them showed utter incompetence and lack of judgment over several years, so that is hardly a glowing reference?

Did any good from this slow motion train crash?

As far as I can see:
a) they threw away a brand because they thought it had negative value
b) wasted a large amount of money
c) failed to deliver on the unicorn hunt to create a organization for the 4.x million self employed (or 1.6 million freelancers)
d) failed to stop the IR35 changes in the public and now private sector that haven't been great for contractors
e) managed to alienate its most dedicated supporters
f) and potentially led to the terminal end of organization in a few years

Anything I missed?

Discount Vouchers that didn't really work ?

[ArgieBee]

The board that worked with them felt their contributions to be very useful and had a lot of respect for them.

Playing devil's advocate, the boards that worked with them showed utter incompetence and lack of judgment over several years, so that is hardly a glowing reference?

Did any good from this slow motion train crash?

As far as I can see:
a) they threw away a brand because they thought it had negative value
b) wasted a large amount of money
c) failed to deliver on the unicorn hunt to create a organization for the 4.x million self employed (or 1.6 million freelancers)
d) failed to stop the IR35 changes in the public and now private sector that haven't been great for contractors
e) managed to alienate its most dedicated supporters
f) and potentially led to the terminal end of organization in a few years

Anything I missed?

[GhostofTarbera]

Ipse have a new supreme leader

Ms Clarke is a non-elected director too?
It may have changed over the last 6 years, but wasn't there a rule that there could not be more non-elected than elected directors?
So the departure of Ms Nabavi may have been necessary after the departure of Ms Morgan?

P.S. still catching up on 6 years of history
Mr Searle was TheFaQQer? and was part of the CUK candidates elected to the CC in 2015?

Mandy got elected by her friends on the CC (I marked her last) and promptly stabbed them in the back with Caroline [emoji4]

Annette got about £200K from ipse for doing nothing, but to be fair she did more than Mandy and Caroline


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[wattaj]

Ms Clarke is a non-elected director too?
It may have changed over the last 6 years, but wasn't there a rule that there could not be more non-elected than elected directors?
So the departure of Ms Nabavi may have been necessary after the departure of Ms Morgan?

The elected directors could always out vote the appointed directors (incl. non-exec directors) as the relative weighting at any vote was 70/30; even with only one elected director present at the vote*.






* The sort of stain left by knowing this information never really washes off.

[mudskipper]

Baynham was also appointed 17th July 2015 with Nabavi. So will that be the end of the NEDs tomorrow?

Did they do anything useful? (or is that an oxymoron?)

They were appointed at the same time, but Annette's term was a year shorter than Peter's to ensure that their term ends were staggered, so Peter's got a year left.

The board that worked with them felt their contributions to be very useful and had a lot of respect for them.

Ms Clarke is a non-elected director too?
It may have changed over the last 6 years, but wasn't there a rule that there could not be more non-elected than elected directors?
So the departure of Ms Nabavi may have been necessary after the departure of Ms Morgan?

Mandy is an elected director. The CC re-elected her shortly before they were disbanded. She was IIRC the first placed candidate. There are still more elected directors (3) than appointed (1). The interim CEO is not a director as he's temporary (despite what the linked page says)

P.S. still catching up on 6 years of history
Mr Searle was TheFaQQer? and was part of the CUK candidates elected to the CC in 2015?

That's the one.

[ArgieBee]

We'll never know.

Ms Clarke is a non-elected director too?
It may have changed over the last 6 years, but wasn't there a rule that there could not be more non-elected than elected directors?
So the departure of Ms Nabavi may have been necessary after the departure of Ms Morgan?

P.S. still catching up on 6 years of history
Mr Searle was TheFaQQer? and was part of the CUK candidates elected to the CC in 2015?

[wattaj]

Did they do anything useful? (or is that an oxymoron?)

We'll never know.

[ArgieBee]

Annette's time was up anyway. The iNeds only serve a fixed term

Baynham was also appointed 17th July 2015 with Nabavi. So will that be the end of the NEDs tomorrow?

Did they do anything useful? (or is that an oxymoron?)

[ladymuck]

Annette's time was up anyway. The iNeds only serve a fixed term