Reply to: Antibody tests

[AtW]

Antibody tests do not pick up people who had mild coronavirus, Oxford study suggests

So it would not have worked anyway...

[AtW]

“Antibody testing in England slumps as ‘game-changer’ scheme founders

Antibody testing, which reveals whether someone has had coronavirus, was to be a “total game changer” in England’s efforts to tackle the pandemic, prime minister Boris Johnson declared in March.“

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[Paddy]

Round 2:

Exclusive: 'Game-changing' coronavirus antibody test passes first major trials

Ministers draw up plans to distribute millions of free finger prick tests after they were found to be 98.6 per cent accurate.

Are these tests for fingers or pricks?

[Jog On]

Round 2:

Exclusive: 'Game-changing' coronavirus antibody test passes first major trials

Yeah but have you seen this?

Beware! Russia needs your vaccine! UK, US & Canada say hackers targeting Covid-19 research are ‘almost certainly’ Kremlin-linked — RT UK News

[AtW]

Round 2:

Exclusive: 'Game-changing' coronavirus antibody test passes first major trials

[minestrone]

I have an antibody test but ive not used it.

[AtW]

Mid-June and still feck all progress -

“ UK antibody test access stokes frustration and confusion

Consumers and doctors eager to understand who has immunity face uncertainty over testing and reliability”

“ There’s a turf war going on between test producers, and Public Health England has made it their fiefdom,” said Richard Tedder, visiting professor in medical virology at Imperial College London, who invented the HIV antibody test in the 1980s. “If a test is fit for purpose and available, you should let people use it.””

“ Germany, by contrast, has had a large-scale antibody testing programme in place since early April.”

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[AtW]

“ One of the pharma giants, Roche, claims its test have 100% sensitivity, meaning there is no chance it will wrongly tell someone they have had the illness, with 99.8% specificity, which raises the possibility a very small proportion of recovered patients will not be correctly identified.

Germany has so far ordered three million testing kits from Roche, while the US has also given it authorisation to be sold. It is one of several products currently being examined by Public Health England.

“We will be able to provide hundreds of thousands of antibody tests to the UK per week,” a spokesman for the company said.”

Mass antibody testing will need volunteer army to take blood samples

FFs, investigating Roche whist buying blindly from China

[Hobosapien]

Working vaccine will probably be worth trillion dollars

It might be the biggest export from China in them - also redeem them, so stakes are high and China is a country that won’t be limited by ethical rules in order to gain time, which is big money now.

Which is why many countries are competing to be first to market. Apparently 80 different vaccines being worked on worldwide. Oxford pumping their concoction into human guinea pigs (Poggle?) this Thursday. Rather them than me.

UK will ignore its own offering to save money by trying to buy it from China, and suffer the same global competition driven delays they have with fighting the international community over PPE.

[AtW]

Working vaccine will probably be worth trillion dollars

It might be the biggest export from China in them - also redeem them, so stakes are high and China is a country that won’t be limited by ethical rules in order to gain time, which is big money now.

[Hobosapien]

They only appear to be immune to one strain.

Coronavirus has mutated into more than 30 strains, say scientists in China | Science & Tech News | Sky News

"Game over man, game over."

A lot of work to be done for those devising accurate tests and vaccines if there are already more than 30 known strains out there.

Maybe we'll get lucky and it isn't mutating in a bad way, and continues to behave itself.

[NotAllThere]

So Roche and all the others working on test and vaccines are being selfish in their approach, putting future profit by trying to be first to market ahead of a shared worldwide effort that puts the health of the people before the financial gain.

Nope. There's a heck of a lot of collaboration and people donating their time and materials for free.

Big Pharma is a bit crap, but it's a lot better than the alternative. However, I hope you are finding your tinfoil hat comfortable.

[NigelJK]

As I recall 48% of the population already have them.

They only appear to be immune to one strain.

[Hobosapien]

“ Health officials are scrambling to get a refund on at least some of that sum, but the New York Times reported that the order for two million antibody tests was offered on a "take it or leave it deal" before the kits were found not to work.”

No certainty that UK will have coronavirus vaccine in 18 months, chief scientific adviser warns

LOL - mugs, anybody who refuses contractual refund on the basis that product not fit for purposes should be told to go you know where

Nigerian type scammers will be fleecing these muppets any way they can. They're so desperate to recover their position from the initial and ongoing inept handling of the situation they're throwing money anywhere there is hope. Many companies will be making lots of money from this where morally they should be doing it at cost. We'll see what blowback happens after, if any. Those exploiting the situation should be named and shamed.

See the Turkey PPE bollox. That one shipment will only last days anyway, and it's days late! Government and inpet media focusing on that diverting attention from the bigger issue of how to ensure a consistent supply of billions of items a month just to cover the professionals, and how can the public be asked to wear such kit (homemade stuff is likely worse than nothing) when that time comes if there is inadequate supply. I suppose that's one way of suppressing public spreading if only allowed out in suitable grade kit and it's not available.

Before spunking millions on antibody tests they need to be sure the virus creates enough antibodies in enough people for enough length of time for the tests to be worth a damn anyway. I expect if a test is found to work then the international demand means the UK will be in the same precarious position as with PPE. It all needs UK production for UK use.

[AtW]

“ Health officials are scrambling to get a refund on at least some of that sum, but the New York Times reported that the order for two million antibody tests was offered on a "take it or leave it deal" before the kits were found not to work.”

No certainty that UK will have coronavirus vaccine in 18 months, chief scientific adviser warns

LOL - mugs, anybody who refuses contractual refund on the basis that product not fit for purposes should be told to go you know where