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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostThey don't routinely vaccinate children against chicken pox in the UK as they have decided it means that the old folk suffer less from shingles.
It does mean if you don't get it when you are the right age as a child you bloody suffer. I only knew I must have had chicken pox because I had two friends I sat with at school get it at 14/15 and suffer. That or I had a mild case and infected both of them....
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Originally posted by sasguru View PostHi Alfie, long time no see. Good to see your wisdom back in these times.
Very true. I like Auden.
Who was it who said about hospitals as he was dying of lung cancer: "...in the cancer ward there are no distinctions, no racism, no poor nor rich, just humans enduring ....".
AA Gill I think?
Well there are no atheists on a sinking ship - which reminds me of the one about The Glasgow Priest who dies and is taken to heaven - he is led to a modest Mansion by the Lord , then he notices that his neighbors mansion is - well massive and adorned with jewels, he realises that the neighbour was a former Glasgow taxi driver infamous for his vulgarity drunkeness and ito be frank all manner of sinful living whom the Priest himslf had often rebuked in no uncertain terms in the confessional box.
Indignantly the Priest asks The Lord why the sinful Taxi driver earned such a glorious Mansion when he had himself devoted his Life to the service if the Lord, had such a modest Mansion.
"My son - it is true what you have said - yet by this mans chaotic reckless and dangerous driving he brought many of his passengers Souls closer to my Love than you did , as they cried out " God save me ! " in the back of the cab,"
For it is wriitten... "He who calls on the Name of the Lord - will be saved, " Gospel Romans 10
My goodness Boys and Girls- is that the time ? Blimey !! Tme for a cup of tea I reckon.
"Alf's Gaurdian Angel always told him what to write and what to do next."Last edited by AlfredJPruffock; 24 March 2020, 20:07.
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Originally posted by Scoobos View PostPosted mid-feb.
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We've all seen the modelling for the spread of the virus, and even based on 'do nothing' we're not forecast to get anywhere near the mortality rate I was responding to. And we're far from doing nothing.
FFS, the scare mongering going on .... you guys need to start wearing brown trousers to hide your 'fear'
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Originally posted by Whorty View PostFFS sake, really? I expect oPM to believe every piece of crap on the internet, but I expected better from the rest of you!
We're 2-3 months in, and so far we have had 9 cases in the UK, 8 of whom are now clear. All these cases had links to China/SE Asia.
At a 2% mortality rate, with shall we say 75m people in the whole UK, we'd only get 1.5 million deaths if EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the UK was infected.
Let's think about that again ..... in 2-3 months we have 9 cases. And yet you're suggesting in the next 10 months this will jump to THE WHOLE UK POPULATION of (no more than) 75m.
I say it again ... FFS
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Originally posted by AlfredJPruffock View Post"We aim to improve and better ourselves- yet
Hospitals remind us of the True equality of Man"
Wh Auden
Very true. I like Auden.
Who was it who said about hospitals as he was dying of lung cancer: "...in the cancer ward there are no distinctions, no racism, no poor nor rich, just humans enduring ....".
AA Gill I think?
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"We aim to improve and better ourselves- yet
Hospitals remind us of the True equality of Man"
Wh Auden
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Originally posted by shaunbhoy View PostAnd they sent him back once they realised they had little current use for immigrant scarecrows.
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Originally posted by vwdan View PostThe problem is, that alone is a flawed analysis. It's not just the 2.5% - it's the knock on effect. No matter what we do, we're going to see huge amounts of people have time off work and huge, unbelievable strain on the NHS. That means people who have accidents, unrelated illnesses and so on are also going to die. And what of the "vulnerable" - this time 2 years ago my son had his second open heart surgery. Before that time he would in the group that probably wouldn't survive this - now he likely will.
This idea that it's "just" pensioners and old people or "just" 2.5% is deeply flawed and plain incorrect. Here's an example near me, already: 'Fit and healthy' 36-year-old UK nurse in intensive care with coronavirus | World news | The Guardian
COVID is coming regardless, and it's going to be devastating if we don't take action. This isn't a binary choice for the economy - there is no "minimal economic disruption option"
The vast majority of fatalities are those over 70 years old and those with underlying health conditions.
Of course, some people will be statistical anomalies, but given the "trolley problem" options, the real question becomes, how many?
Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?
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Originally posted by Bean View Post
Besides it’s just assguru, nobody with anything important to do...he retired off to Portugal like all the other Richie riches allegedly do
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostIt is to protect adults.
As most people have had it they think it will increase the risk of chicken pox and shingles in adults.
There is a shingles vaccination but it is only for those 70+.
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Originally posted by billybiro View PostThen why does the UK NOT routinely vaccinate children against this disease whilst other countries do?
As most people have had it they think it will increase the risk of chicken pox and shingles in adults.
There is a shingles vaccination but it is only for those 70+.
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Originally posted by billybiro View Post
Many are calling this an example of the classic "Trolley Problem".
Save the pensioners and the vulnerable (the so-called 2.5%), but the economy tanks if the "lockdown" continues for too long and the knock-on effects of massive business closures, unemployment, homelessness etc means, ultimately, many more will die.
Or, save the economy. More people remain alive, but we have to allow the 2.5% to die in order to achieve it.
This idea that it's "just" pensioners and old people or "just" 2.5% is deeply flawed and plain incorrect. Here's an example near me, already: 'Fit and healthy' 36-year-old UK nurse in intensive care with coronavirus | World news | The Guardian
COVID is coming regardless, and it's going to be devastating if we don't take action. This isn't a binary choice for the economy - there is no "minimal economic disruption option"
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And so it begins.....
Many are calling this an example of the classic "Trolley Problem".
Save the pensioners and the vulnerable (the so-called 2.5%), but the economy tanks if the "lockdown" continues for too long and the knock-on effects of massive business closures, unemployment, homelessness etc means, ultimately, many more will die.
Or, save the economy. More people remain alive, but we have to allow the 2.5% to die in order to achieve it.Last edited by billybiro; 24 March 2020, 10:57.
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