Reply to: Tories and IR35

[VectraMan]

Makes no difference who I vote for (Tory safe seat), but with Labour determined to ruin all our lives and the Lib Dems having got rid of the only good politician they had, I'm thinking I really will vote Tory next time around.

[TheFaQQer]

Thats the spirit! Why vote for someone who could possibly improve your lot (hopefully remove a lot of the stealth taxes introduced by El Gordo) when you could just be a little sheep and follow everyone else.

Tony (and soon Gordo) relies on people like you!

Mailman

Exactly - if the government of the day wants to make me better off, then so be it. But I'd rather vote along with my principles than purely looking after number one.

[DimPrawn]

I got an email from David Cameron on this subject a few weeks ago.

Here it is if you are interested.

Yo Dim!,

How's it hanging in that there ghetto man?

To your point re the Intermedaries Legislation also known as IR35. Unlike Labour we are committed to anything green and anything that wins votes, so yes we are very likely to get rid of it, if it will cut CO2 levels.

Perhaps we can apply a Carbon tax on disguised employees and so make cycling to work more enjoyable for real businesses. That sounds "fair".

Anyhow, west side, you the man.

Yours,

David Cameron
Leader of the Opposition

[wendigo100]

IMHO I thought they were making no taxation promises now?

I'm pretty sure you are right. I'm just speculating on where I think their priorities will lay.

[Bagpuss]

That bit of pondlife beat me to it.

The first link says they will abolish it "if we win the next general election". That was two elections ago so that pledge no longer holds.

The second relates to when Letwin was shadow chancellor. It wasn't a solid commitment, and anyway, we've had an election since then and it's been all change in the tory party.

Nevertheless....

I believe they'd like to get rid of it (and S660). However, they know that they need to make up the revenue from any taxes they cut, and they see things like inheritance tax as a higher priority.

So while IR35 still collects money from the volunteers, it has otherwise mostly died a death and can be left on the back burner.

IMHO I thought they were making no taxation promises now?

Maybe the PCG need to lobby the Cameronster?

[hattra]

Hear hear.

Er, won't CUK end up on some terrorist list in the Ministry of Peace though?

Of course, so remember to include a polite "Good Morning" to the nice people at GCHQ and Menwith Hill on every post, and you should be OK

[wendigo100]

Look 'ere expat, buffoon is right. Please try and keep in mind that calling for execution of new labour politicians is relevant to ANY thread on CUK.

Hear hear.

Er, won't CUK end up on some terrorist list in the Ministry of Peace though?

[xoggoth]

Look 'ere expat, buffoon is right. Please try and keep in mind that calling for execution of new labour politicians is relevant to ANY thread on CUK.

[wendigo100]

http://www.out-law.com/page-1398
http://www.freelanceuk.com/news/809.shtml

That bit of pondlife beat me to it.

The first link says they will abolish it "if we win the next general election". That was two elections ago so that pledge no longer holds.

The second relates to when Letwin was shadow chancellor. It wasn't a solid commitment, and anyway, we've had an election since then and it's been all change in the tory party.

Nevertheless....

I believe they'd like to get rid of it (and S660). However, they know that they need to make up the revenue from any taxes they cut, and they see things like inheritance tax as a higher priority.

So while IR35 still collects money from the volunteers, it has otherwise mostly died a death and can be left on the back burner.

[Pondlife]

http://www.out-law.com/page-1398
http://www.freelanceuk.com/news/809.shtml

Great if it's still true but the links are from Feb 2001 and Jan 2005. Do they still have the same ideas under Cameron's rule?

[andy]

My vote is for tories if they abolish IR35
But need to confirm if they will actually do it

[expat]

I never said that IR35 was treason. The treason I am on about is failing to perform the fundamental duty of any government: to protect the citizens of the country. In that they have not just failed, they have acted directly against the interests of the British people. This includes a multitude of offenses for example immigration, civil liberties, and lying to the House of Commons and the UN to take us to war.

Excuse me. The thread title mislead me

[Buffoon]

I'd go for that. But for Iraq and "anti-terror" legislation, and cash-for-honours (though I think they are just greedier and more brazen than the Tories on that one, not different).

Not for IR35: IR35 is not treason, it's just budgetary policy that you don't like.

I never said that IR35 was treason. The treason I am on about is failing to perform the fundamental duty of any government: to protect the citizens of the country. In that they have not just failed, they have acted directly against the interests of the British people. This includes a multitude of offenses for example immigration, civil liberties, and lying to the House of Commons and the UN to take us to war.

[expat]

IR35 was introduced for one reason and one reason only. The big consultancies had successfully got rid of the independents in the US with IRS Rule 1706. They wanted to do the same thing in the UK and New Labour was in bed with at least one (maybe more) of them.

Spot-on! Once a director of Andersen...

It did help that Labour (what's "New"?) never liked freelancers anyway: their natural world-view has everyone being either employed or an employer.

[expat]

I want B'Liar tried/convicted on corruption and treason charges. Then he should be hung, drawn and quartered in Parliament Square live on prime-time telly.

I'd go for that. But for Iraq and "anti-terror" legislation, and cash-for-honours (though I think they are just greedier and more brazen than the Tories on that one, not different).

Not for IR35: IR35 is not treason, it's just budgetary policy that you don't like.