Reply to: Seats difference if there was PR in the UK

[d000hg]

As someone mentioned we did have a referendum on voting reform about a decade ago - I barely remember it though so it must have been before I had any interest in politics?

Or maybe nobody had much interest in it?

edit: 42% turnout, I'd forgotten it was a fop to the LDs in return for tuition fees
2011 United Kingdom Alternative Vote referendum - Wikipedia

[SimonMac]

The problem with PR is that UK politics don’t know how to form coalitions, and less so know how to effectively govern from them. The last two junior partners (LibDems and DUP) we seen as a necessary nuisance rather than a partner

[JohntheBike]

How does that work when PC, SNP, etc only stand in their respective nations?
Wouldn't we need some sort of PR based per-nation, or does that cause more problems?

Seems we'd still have a majority Tory government either way.

I guess there is no bar to anyone standing in any election anywhere in the UK. So theoretically, an SNP/DUP/PC candidate could stand anywhere in England. It would be pointless I know, but it would be interesting if the SNP fielded candidates in Northern England. However, I guess people forget that this "United" Kingdom has different laws for Scotland and NI from England and Wales, and has had so for a very long time.

[scooterscot]

What is irrelevant is posting numbers with no understanding or analysis of what they actually mean..

This time next year BTC to the moon!

[malvolio]

What “appeals” is irrelevant.

HTH, BIDI.

What is irrelevant is posting numbers with no understanding or analysis of what they actually mean.

HTH. Not that I care.

[meridian]

No, doesn't work like that.

On those numbers, Tories have 288 seats, Lab/SNP/LD have 304. So a rainbow coalition would be in charge. Can't say that appeals...

And SNP/DUP/SF/PC/whatever seats are still UK National seats, so no need to adjust for local nationality.

What “appeals” is irrelevant.

HTH, BIDI.

[BR14]

What's been achieved in the last 5 years of Tory government? Fook all and a sheet load of money up in smoke.

and this is relevant? - go back to your magic beans thread, there's a good Erik

[scooterscot]

A proper PR system would be more democratic but not sure what the effect would be.

What's been achieved in the last 5 years of Tory government? Fook all and a sheet load of money up in smoke.



During the last coalition:

[TestMangler]

No you had not, that was on AV

Don't be doing your mad 'facts' on here.

[Eirikur]

We had a referendum on PR in 2011. I was in favour. But the vast majority were not.

Referendums only come round once in a generation. Though I think they should be banned altogether. Or maybe only allowed if parliament is in favour.

No you had not, that was on AV

[BrilloPad]

We had a referendum on PR in 2011. I was in favour. But the vast majority were not.

Referendums only come round once in a generation. Though I think they should be banned altogether. Or maybe only allowed if parliament is in favour.

[malvolio]

How does that work when PC, SNP, etc only stand in their respective nations?
Wouldn't we need some sort of PR based per-nation, or does that cause more problems?

Seems we'd still have a majority Tory government either way.

No, doesn't work like that.

On those numbers, Tories have 288 seats, Lab/SNP/LD have 304. So a rainbow coalition would be in charge. Can't say that appeals...

And SNP/DUP/SF/PC/whatever seats are still UK National seats, so no need to adjust for local nationality.

[Hobosapien]

The problem with proportional representation is that the non-voters (i.e. those that don't turnout) will always win so there would be no more MPs. Make it so.

[BR14]

we don't.

[MasterBait]

How does that work when PC, SNP, etc only stand in their respective nations?
Wouldn't we need some sort of PR based per-nation, or does that cause more problems?

Seems we'd still have a majority Tory government either way.

I agree with that, couldn't find a link that breaks it up per nation. the SNP had 45% of the votes in Scotland so would not have an absoloute majority 27 in stead of 48 out of the 59 Scottish seats