Lib Dems to create new ‘dependent contractor’ employment status

[NigelJK]

Alternatively, create a different trading vehicle.

Been saying that for years. Most governments are reactive, they would take some time to legislate. The difficulty is coming up with a contract both sides are happy with. This is how ltds got going in the first instance.

[malvolio]

No need for yet another legal entity. Simply tweak the rules so contractors can be self-employed and not leave agencies/clients at risk of a tax claim.

Been saying that for years as well... The problem is the relevant law applies to a lot of situations, not just ours, so is unlikely to be revoked without creating a new type of worker entity. Ermm...

It's like close companies: quite a few seriously big organisations, like Virgin Group, are owned by what classify as close companies, with less than 5 shareholders. That could be avoided, but only if you create a new class of worker. Ermm...

See the problem?

Alternatively, create a different trading vehicle. The problem with that is the majority of likely users of such a thing would think, rightly or wrongly, that they were sticking the whole upper body over the parapet fr the taxman to attack, so wouldn't sign up. And why would they?

And none of the above do anything about the real problem, which is exploitation of the workforce who aren't employees but damned well ought to be.

[Epiphone]

No need for yet another legal entity. Simply tweak the rules so contractors can be self-employed and not leave agencies/clients at risk of a tax claim.

[wattaj]

According to the Independent url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/liberal-democrats-election-posters-boris-johnson-brexit-queen-trump-farage-a9219246.html the Liberal Democrats are going to create a new employment status.



Mark.

Hmm, can someone with a better memory than me confirm whether or not "dependant contractor" was an IPSE inspired brain fart from a few years ago?

[sal]

The f**k will be the difference between ‘dependent contractor’ and Fixed term contract then?

This is mainly for the Uber/Deliveroo driver crowd. I don't need more dependencies and employment rights.

[BoredBloke]

That's what I'm thinking - is it a silver bullet for IR35 or more to champion those underpaid/taken the p**s out of by the gig economy?

No I think it will make no difference. If it costs business more then they will look at contractor on 400 a day to umbrella is 400 a day. Contract through dependant company at 400 a day has holiday and benefits on top and possibly employers NI.....Think it will be the first one that wins out. Either way I reckon it is us who will end up getting less at the end of the day.

But I'm just guessing that's how it would be implemented.

[LondonManc]

Depends on how it's implemented. My guess is it will be some cost to the 'employer' so like IR35 and the employer having to pay the employers NI, they will insist on umbrella. So they can sidestep the costs and continue as is.

That's what I'm thinking - is it a silver bullet for IR35 or more to champion those underpaid/taken the p**s out of by the gig economy?

[BoredBloke]

Or do. If you want to be treated differently to gig economy folk like Uber drivers...

Depends on how it's implemented. My guess is it will be some cost to the 'employer' so like IR35 and the employer having to pay the employers NI, they will insist on umbrella. So they can sidestep the costs and continue as is.

[LondonManc]

So totally what we don't f**king need...

Or do. If you want to be treated differently to gig economy folk like Uber drivers...

[Mordac]

According to the Independent url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/liberal-democrats-election-posters-boris-johnson-brexit-queen-trump-farage-a9219246.html the Liberal Democrats are going to create a new employment status.



Mark.

So totally what we don't f**king need...

[Mark M]

According to the Independent url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/liberal-democrats-election-posters-boris-johnson-brexit-queen-trump-farage-a9219246.html the Liberal Democrats are going to create a new employment status.

The party’s business spokesman Sam Gyimah also pledged to establish a new ‘dependent contractor’ employment status for workers tied to one employer to enshrine rights such as minimum earnings, sick pay and holiday entitlement.

Mark.