Reply to: Lib Dems promise to review IR35

[scooterscot]

Why any political party believes tax dodging IR35 individuals dressed up as a limited company will swing a vote to put them in power is a mystery to me.

Make cash accounting legal again.

[Benny]

Introduce minimum unit pricing for alcohol, taking note of the impact of the policy in Scotland.

How did it work out for Scotland?

Fund abortion clinics to provide their services free of charge to service users regardless of nationality or residency

Terminate the world foc

introducing a legal, regulated market for cannabis. We will introduce limits on the potency levels and permit cannabis to be sold through licensed outlets to adults over the age of 18

Maaaaan!

Adopting a public health approach to serious violence: restoring community policing and youth services and supporting them to work together with other services to reverse the spread of violence.

Meaningless tosh

Review on the basis of evidence any unscientific and discriminatory practices aimed solely at LGBT+ people, such as around blood donations

HIV courtesy of blood transfusions... only fair

[malvolio]

Right, I see, it’s the unelected bureaucrats that are responsible, and not the Tory MPs that actually set the legislation.



As I said, blind spot. An unwillingness to even consider holding those that set the legislation to account. Instead, your only focus is on contractors bending to the legislation, and by continuing to vote for the current Tory Government you’re only encouraging them, thereby being part of the problem yourself.

HMG decides policy, civil servants draft it, Parliament effects it. Your choice is about the policy makers, who are advised by the civil service. See the problem?

[meridian]

No, what various people are saying that clients will eventually realise the good people are going to the most sensible clients who are willing to compromise and the market will move back towards genuinely independent contractors who have skills to sell - provided the contract on offer meets genuinely outside IR35 conditions. A bit like what Dim Prawn said all those years ago - people who are genuinely in business have nothing to fear from IR35.

Those who can't/won't/CBA change will be inside IR35. Arguably, they should be anyway. It's still up to them to sort out the market rate.

As for who to vote for, we've known for at least 5 years that if you go to an MP and talk about IR35 they will immediately switch off and if you go to Joe Public and talk about losing 20% of an already-top-10% income you'll be laughed at. You have to focus on business clients and how you approach them.

Party politics are totally immaterial, it's the Treasury Civil Servants with a refusal to accept freelance work as legitimate who are leading, not the MPs. They aren't affected by elections.

Right, I see, it’s the unelected bureaucrats that are responsible, and not the Tory MPs that actually set the legislation.



As I said, blind spot. An unwillingness to even consider holding those that set the legislation to account. Instead, your only focus is on contractors bending to the legislation, and by continuing to vote for the current Tory Government you’re only encouraging them, thereby being part of the problem yourself.

[malvolio]

You have some good advice overall for contractors to get themselves into positions that avoid IR 35. However, you seem to have a curious blind spot when it comes to the politics behind it and while you’re willing to explore negotiating the rules themselves, you’re unwilling to explore changing the people that make those rules.

What you’re saying, today, is for people to continue voting for the Leopards Eating People’s Faces Party.

No, what various people are saying that clients will eventually realise the good people are going to the most sensible clients who are willing to compromise and the market will move back towards genuinely independent contractors who have skills to sell - provided the contract on offer meets genuinely outside IR35 conditions. A bit like what Dim Prawn said all those years ago - people who are genuinely in business have nothing to fear from IR35.

Those who can't/won't/CBA change will be inside IR35. Arguably, they should be anyway. It's still up to them to sort out the market rate.

As for who to vote for, we've known for at least 5 years that if you go to an MP and talk about IR35 they will immediately switch off and if you go to Joe Public and talk about losing 20% of an already-top-10% income you'll be laughed at. You have to focus on business clients and how you approach them.

Party politics are totally immaterial, it's the Treasury Civil Servants with a refusal to accept freelance work as legitimate who are leading, not the MPs. They aren't affected by elections.

[TwoWolves]

Parliament is not running the country, the civil servants are.

[DimPrawn]

Manifesto page 23

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...pdf?1574251172

Limp Undems promise to honour democratic referendums....

[meridian]

That's not my advice. Try reading what I've been saying, along with many others,for the last few years.

You have some good advice overall for contractors to get themselves into positions that avoid IR 35. However, you seem to have a curious blind spot when it comes to the politics behind it and while you’re willing to explore negotiating the rules themselves, you’re unwilling to explore changing the people that make those rules.

What you’re saying, today, is for people to continue voting for the Leopards Eating People’s Faces Party.

[malvolio]

Not if you take his advice and drop your trousers, waiting to be shafted even more.

That's not my advice. Try reading what I've been saying, along with many others,for the last few years.

[meridian]

So we have no chance then.

Not if you take his advice and drop your trousers, waiting to be shafted even more.

[meridian]

Nonsense. They've read IPSE's publicity about 5 million freelance workers, which equates to 5 million voters, and are offering bribes. No way will they actually repeal IR35, even if they were anywhere close to being able to.

Vote Tory to register your approval of their direction of travel towards contractors. Don’t bother using your vote elsewhere to try to influence their position.

Under no circumstances whatsoever vote for a party that might consider reviewing it.

[Rebel]

Nonsense. They've read IPSE's publicity about 5 million freelance workers, which equates to 5 million voters, and are offering bribes. No way will they actually repeal IR35, even if they were anywhere close to being able to.

So we have no chance then.

[malvolio]

Seems like the only party that is interested at looking at this.

Nonsense. They've read IPSE's publicity about 5 million freelance workers, which equates to 5 million voters, and are offering bribes. No way will they actually repeal IR35, even if they were anywhere close to being able to.

[Rebel]

Seems like the only party that is interested at looking at this.

[adubya]

– Reviewing the tax and National Insurance status of employees, dependent
contractors and freelancers to ensure fair and comparable treatment.

Nice !