Reply to: Jacob Rees Mogg

[Big Blue Plymouth]

He won a thumping majority in a historically Labour-voting constituency and against a very good (if low profile) sitting MP, so I wouldn't write him off just yet.

With hindsight he was probably right, but it was a damned silly thing to say.

Is it? It was created from the old Wansdyke constituency & that was always conservative in my lifetime until Dan Norris won it for Labour in '97.

Mind you, considering it encompasses all the old Somerset coalfields, I'm surprised it's not redder than it is.

[BrilloPad]

Should the residents of Yorkshire evacuate immediately?

[sal]

For the most part I agree with you. However had they followed your advice I suspect that, despite the death toll being considerably lower, they would be getting hung out to dry for departing from the conventional wisdom of staying put. Damned if they did and damned if they didn't sadly.

While the grunts where risking their lives to get people out, the people in charge were unwilling to risk their jobs... And then don't even have the decency to resign. What a bunch of muppets.

[Old Greg]

But does he have any advice for those affected by California wildfires?

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[BrilloPad]

Rees Mogg should be ashamed of pushing forward his individualist 'don't trust the state' agenda.

But does he have any advice for those affected by California wildfires?

[Old Greg]

As tragic as Grenfall was i find it very insidious the way it is used to push political views / influence policy

Rees Mogg should be ashamed of pushing forward his individualist 'don't trust the state' agenda.

[sasguru]

As usual you cretins don't really understand what's happening

There are 2 phases to the Grenfell inquiry:
Phase 1 which has just concluded seeks to find out what went wrong on the day. It rightly criticises the fire brigade for various shortcomings.
Phase 2 which is about to commence seeks to understand the broader picture: it will find out who is reponsible for the decision to use cladding, why said cladding is approved for use etc. etc.

No wonder the country is going to pot, the average citizen is too stupid to work basic things out.
And now you're all going to vote - that will be fun - for those of us outside

[filthy1980]

As tragic as Grenfall was i find it very insidious the way it is used to push political views / influence policy

[original PM]

Grenfell was a terrible tragedy and it is right to investigate the root causes.

What is not correct is this desire to blame someone - you can point to all parties for some failings and to try and pick one party as the culprit is counter productive.

But I guess that's just the world we live in?

[GhostofTarbera]

Nanny would have carried me out of a burning Grenfell, insists Jacob Rees-Mogg

Seems about right


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[malvolio]

No he didn’t. It’s a new constituency. He’s the only MP they’ve ever had.
Still at risk from a tactical remain vote though.

Really? I lived there for many years. It gained Bath but the "new" electorate was mainly Labour and Dan Norris was a very good MP. As is JRM as it happens...

Everyone bangs on about tactical voting. Its a myth: the average voter goes for a person, a leader (the only reason the Lib Dems got 80 seats was Clegg on TV) or a party

[AtW]

No he didn’t. It’s a new constituency. He’s the only MP they’ve ever had.
Still at risk from a tactical remain vote though.

Poor bastards.

[Lance]

He won a thumping majority in a historically Labour-voting constituency and against a very good (if low profile) sitting MP, so I wouldn't write him off just yet.

With hindsight he was probably right, but it was a damned silly thing to say.

No he didn’t. It’s a new constituency. He’s the only MP they’ve ever had.
Still at risk from a tactical remain vote though.

[shaunbhoy]

LFB is fully to blame for not applying commons sense and overruling the "stay put" policy the minute it was evident that the fire containment on which the "stay put" policy is critically reliant has failed. And that was like 15-30min into the fire. At that point saving lives by evacuating people, should have taken precedent over firefighters climbing upstairs to fight a fire that is clearly out of control.

For the most part I agree with you. However had they followed your advice I suspect that, despite the death toll being considerably lower, they would be getting hung out to dry for departing from the conventional wisdom of staying put. Damned if they did and damned if they didn't sadly.

[sal]

Isn't the "Stay Put" official government policy, possibly? Wasn't the cladding put there by the council wanting to save some money?

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Stay Put position



Maybe he should be criticsing the local council instead? They probably saved around 5 thousand on using the cheaper cladding even though they are sitting on reserves of around 274 million and managed to give 5 million to the Opera Holland Park

Who's to blame for the cladding and building regs lack of sprinklers etc. is separate to why so many people were instructed to stay put and die, contrary to any common sense.

LFB is fully to blame for not applying commons sense and overruling the "stay put" policy the minute it was evident that the fire containment on which the "stay put" policy is critically reliant has failed. And that was like 15-30min into the fire. At that point saving lives by evacuating people, should have taken precedent over firefighters climbing upstairs to fight a fire that is clearly out of control.

I haven't read the newly release official report, but if I remember correctly shortly after the event there was evidence that even after the decision to evacuate was taken by the relevant person in charge it took quite some time for the new information to be propagated to the call centre, leading to a situation that people were being advised to stay put even after the evacuation decision had been made. Which is yet another major failure of the LFB procedures.

The amount of wasted resources and disorganisation in LFB is laughable, couple of months ago during strong winds a decorative glass panel on the 8th floor in the nearby building had become lose and was swinging dangerously. No less than 5 fire trucks arrived disgorging dozens of fire fighters. A couple of them just strung some yellow tape and were warning passersby, a couple went upstairs to secure the glass and the majority just stood there chatting among themselves for several hours. It was painful to watch.