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  • AtW
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    Originally posted by WordIsBond View Post
    If he'd identified it as such, rather than stating it as fact, that would indeed have been appropriate.
    Whether party is a populist is a matter of opinion, not fact - the reporter gave opinion

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  • WordIsBond
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    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
    perhaps it was his analysis of the situation (or reporting someone else's analysis)
    If he'd identified it as such, rather than stating it as fact, that would indeed have been appropriate.

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  • AtW
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    You got a full list of journalistic ethics rules? Please provide link to check that journalist can’t express opinion

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  • NotAllThere
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    Originally posted by WordIsBond View Post
    The opinion-insertion, which has no place in a serious and rather important news report, was his view that it was a message to the UK and US about populism.
    Or, rather than his opinion, perhaps it was his analysis of the situation (or reporting someone else's analysis) which certainly does have a place in important and serious news reports.

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  • WordIsBond
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    Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
    This publication from the LSE describing populism shows the BBC journalist was absolutely right applying the label of "populist" to Sryza.
    The definition of "populist" is generally accepted and would certainly encompass Syriza (I've got no idea who Sryza is ). The opinion-insertion, which has no place in a serious and rather important news report, was his view that it was a message to the UK and US about populism.

    If I want personal opinions I'll watch/read a forum for them rather than a news report telling me what happened. For that, I want hard and vetted news. And that's true whether I agree with the opinions expressed or not -- they have no place in a news report. That's basic journalistic ethics.

    Perhaps our friend up above doesn't understand this, he's probably still trying to adjust to living in a free society.

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  • WordIsBond
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    Originally posted by AtW View Post
    Cretins
    The unfortunate part about saying that is it made you feel clever or funny or superior, but it just exposed you.

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  • meridian
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    Originally posted by Jog On View Post
    Wonder how soon it will be before they are banned altogether...

    Shame on them for reporting stuff like this

    Other sites will still syndicate the information though - until they get banned as well.

    I suppose what we don't know can't hurt us can it?
    A fabrication of what?

    Read all four links that you’ve provided. There is insinuation, but the only fact they are able to make is that Philip May is employed as a pensions advisor.

    Given the lack of any smoking gun that you seem to be looking for, what other “facts” do you have to support a news story?

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  • NotAllThere
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    Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
    Too many right wing extremists who would like to see a BBC run by like minded fanatics. It won't happen though. I notice they even complain about all the other TV stations as well, not just the BBC.
    Not just extremists. The Tories would like to see a BBC run by Tories. Labour would like to see it run by Labour.

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  • SueEllen
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    Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
    This publication from the LSE describing populism shows the BBC journalist was absolutely right applying the label of "populist" to Sryza.

    Understanding the Global Rise of Populism
    LSE = university so must be lefty...

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  • BlasterBates
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    This publication from the LSE describing populism shows the BBC journalist was absolutely right applying the label of "populist" to Sryza.

    Understanding the Global Rise of Populism

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  • AtW
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    Originally posted by WordIsBond View Post
    He might have had a point or he might not, but it was sheer opinion / editorialising, not fact-checked news. And the BBC does this kind of stuff all the time.
    News were facts about winning party in elections.

    Opinion (commentary) was not unreasonable too, if you want just facts read Bloomberg/Reuters.

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  • BlasterBates
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    Too many right wing extremists who would like to see a BBC run by like minded fanatics. It won't happen though. I notice they even complain about all the other TV stations as well, not just the BBC.

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  • AtW
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    Originally posted by WordIsBond View Post
    Like the BBC 'news' report on Monday about the Greek election closing with the propagandist (er, reporter) saying that the end of Greece's experiment with populism (Syriza) and return to an establishment government sends a message to the US and the UK?
    That's an opinion (why can't they have it?), not propaganda.

    Cretins like you got no idea what propaganda really is - because you were lucky enough to live in a country without it.

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  • Paddy
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    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
    To be fair, it was barely newsworthy in Switzerland.
    It was in the Tägliche Post, on the same page as "EU to ban holes in cheese" and "EU to ban yodelling and health and safety grounds"

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  • WordIsBond
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    Originally posted by AtW View Post
    Leaving out is not disinformation, especially if there are clear sensible rules on why certain things don't get reported by reputable fact checking organisation such as BBC.
    Like the BBC 'news' report on Monday about the Greek election closing with the propagandist (er, reporter) saying that the end of Greece's experiment with populism (Syriza) and return to an establishment government sends a message to the US and the UK?

    He might have had a point or he might not, but it was sheer opinion / editorialising, not fact-checked news. And the BBC does this kind of stuff all the time.

    And leaving things out certainly can be disinformation.

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