Reply to: Cretinous question of the year

[Zigenare]

Churchill made several speeches, you're quoting a different one.

October 1948, at a Conservative Mass Meeting at Llandudno,
August 1949, at the first meeting of the Council of Europe in Strasbourg
November 1949, at a speech given for the European Movement at Kingsway Hall, London
1950, Churchill called for the creation of a European Army

...and yet the speech you quote is from 1946 in Zurich.
In fact reading what you call "his speech verbatim" it doesn't contain the line

Does that mean he never said "We shall fight them on the beaches", because it's not in a speech given in Switzerland?

I'll rephrase. Please show me a line in a speech made by Winston Churchill(1874-1965) where he states categorically that Great Britain should join "The United States of Europe" or its equivalent. He advocated that we help in its construction, alongside the USA and USSR but as far as I've found so far he did not advocate that we should be members.

[WTFH]

Here is his speech verbatim...

Winston Churchill, speech delivered at the University of Zurich, 19 September 1946

Would you care to show me where he advocates Great Britain becoming a member?

Churchill made several speeches, you're quoting a different one.

October 1948, at a Conservative Mass Meeting at Llandudno,
August 1949, at the first meeting of the Council of Europe in Strasbourg
November 1949, at a speech given for the European Movement at Kingsway Hall, London
1950, Churchill called for the creation of a European Army

...and yet the speech you quote is from 1946 in Zurich.
In fact reading what you call "his speech verbatim" it doesn't contain the line

Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail.

Does that mean he never said "We shall fight them on the beaches", because it's not in a speech given in Switzerland?

[NotAllThere]

Wow that got me my first negative rep ever - must have struck a nerve I guess.

Related cretinous question - What does the "D" in D-Day stand for?

I'm guessing it may be "Deliverance"

Or could it be A, B, and C days all went horribly wrong and the less said about them the better?!

edit: I did a quick search and answered my own question - "Departure"

The most common explanation is that it simply denotes Day. The military also have H-Hour. From Time magazine

[BrilloPad]

Wow that got me my first negative rep ever - must have struck a nerve I guess.

As Maggie would say, its good to make a difference.

[OwlHoot]

D Day was 6th June 1944.

So why are we celebrating it today?

Related cretinous question - What does the "D" in D-Day stand for?

I'm guessing it may be "Deliverance"

Or could it be A, B, and C days all went horribly wrong and the less said about them the better?!

edit: I did a quick search and answered my own question - "Departure"

[Zigenare]

You should be ashamed of your self. There were Remainers on the beaches. From today's Times

Appropriating the selfless actions of the D-Day veterans in order to score a cheap political point? Quite possibly. It's a pretty tulipty thing to do.

Indeed, a real bastards trick.

[NotAllThere]

Wow that got me my first negative rep ever - must have struck a nerve I guess.

Appropriating the selfless actions of the D-Day veterans in order to score a cheap political point? Quite possibly. It's a pretty tulipty thing to do.

[Zigenare]

Here you go:



From: Winston Churchill: A founder of the European Union | EU ROPE

Here is his speech verbatim...

Winston Churchill, speech delivered at the University of Zurich, 19 September 1946

Would you care to show me where he advocates Great Britain becoming a member?

[original PM]

Woah there.

Why are there remainers on this thread?

These people died so you would not be controlled by a central European government.

Something which you now freely admit you want.

Lest we forget? You already fooking have.

Wow that got me my first negative rep ever - must have struck a nerve I guess.

[original PM]

Here you go:



From: Winston Churchill: A founder of the European Union | EU ROPE

The world in 1949 was a very different place to the world today.

Today we have had a European Union for 45 years and it would appear it is not working out to be the utopia we were led to believe it would be.

I am happy to be part of a European Union - I am not happy about the European Parliament.

And if I cannot have 1 without the other I would prefer neither.

[Old Greg]

Where does he say that Britain should join? We already had the "Commonwealth of Nations".



Just saying like.

Here you go:

In October 1948, at a Conservative Mass Meeting at Llandudno, Churchill made clear that Britain held a unique position at the heart of ‘three majestic circles’: the ‘Empire and Commonwealth’, ‘the English speaking world’ and a ‘United Europe’.

Churchill described these three circles as ‘co-existent’ and ‘linked together’. He said, ‘We are the only country which has a great part in every one of them. We stand, in fact, at the very point of junction, and here in this Island at the centre of the seaways and perhaps of the airways also, we have the opportunity of joining them all together.’

One year on, in August 1949, at the first meeting of the Council of Europe in Strasbourg, Churchill delivered his speech in French, and said:

‘We are reunited here, in this new Assembly, not as representatives of our several countries or various political parties, but as Europeans forging ahead, hand in hand, and if necessary elbow to elbow, to restore the former glories of Europe..

‘There is no reason for us not to succeed in achieving our goal and laying the foundation of a United Europe. A Europe whose moral design will win the respect and acknowledgement of all humanity, and whose physical strength will be such that no person will dare to disturb it as it marches peacefully towards the future.’

Later in November 1949, at a speech given for the European Movement at Kingsway Hall, London, Churchill said:

‘The British Government have rightly stated that they cannot commit this country to entering any European Union without the agreement of the other members of the British Commonwealth. We all agree with that statement. But no time must be lost in discussing the question with the Dominions and seeking to convince them that their interests as well as ours lie in a United Europe.’

Churchill added, `The French Foreign Minister, M. Schuman, declared in the French Parliament this week that, ‘Without Britain there can be no Europe.’ This is entirely true. But our friends on the Continent need have no misgivings. Britain is an integral part of Europe, and we mean to play our part in the revival of her prosperity and greatness.’

The following year, in 1950, Churchill called for the creation of a European Army ‘..under a unified command, and in which we should all bear a worthy and honourable part.’ (France objected to this plan).

Notice how in his speeches, Churchill said ‘we’ must build a United States of Europe; not ‘they’. He said ‘we’ aim at the eventual participation of the peoples of Europe; not ‘they’. He said ‘we’ must assemble and combine countries to join the Union of Europe; not ‘they’. He said ‘we’ should create a European army; not ‘they’ It’s surely beyond doubt that Churchill wanted the UK to take part in the unification of Europe.

From: Winston Churchill: A founder of the European Union | EU ROPE

[Zigenare]

As Winston Churchill said:

Where does he say that Britain should join? We already had the "Commonwealth of Nations".

Great Britain, the British Commonwealth of Nations, mighty America - and, I trust, Soviet Russia, for then indeed all would be well - must be the friends and sponsors of the new Europe and must champion its right to live. Therefore I say to you “Let Europe arise!”.

Just saying like.

[TestMangler]

Woah there.

Why are there remainers on this thread?

These people died so you would not be controlled by a central European government.

Something which you now freely admit you want.

Lest we forget? You already fooking have.

What an absolute piece of shit you are.

[Old Greg]

You should be ashamed of your self. There were Remainers on the beaches. From today's Times

Chardin sounds like a foreign name.

[WTFH]

Amazing how the Trumpeters and NF fans seem to push for for the "anything that disagrees with me is Fake News", so the war against the Third reicht is now a war against the left, and that the Holocaust didn't happen and there's no lessons to be learned from it.